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    The venue/s have recieved a fair bit of discussion, some say they should be moved, others diagree.

    Combining the show with other shows has been discussed, get more people through the gates, have more exhibits & demos.

    I have put a lot of thought into this thread since it stated the other day, because the Adelaide show is gone, so I guess I have a motive to see this thread produce some good results.

    This forum contains a wealth of knowledge, we have wood workers, metal workers trailer makers CNC users, toy makers, box makers, boatbuilders, the list is long and I have only mentioned a few.

    Maybe, another way of looking at this would be to base the format of the show on the format of this forum.
    Why have a T&WWW show at all... Change the name, change the format & have people demoing plasma cutters & tig welders as well as table saws & thicknessers. You could have a team of trailer builders demoing skills, equiment, Hands on have a go etc. then a trailer could be raffled off as a door prize. might not make the ticket price seem so high with a chance of winning a trailer. Once again, the cost of materials could be taken into concideration with the stall price.

    What about getting the Shed industry involved, hell, we all need a shed or a bigger shed. Then there is the Solar industry, with the cost of Solar coming down, some people with a shed full of large machinery might start thinking of ways to off set their power bills. (I know I have)

    We don't need to combine with an arts & craft fair, although there is no reason why we couldn't, but we have other groups right here. While I am a wood worker now, I am a boilermaker / welder by trade.

    Maybe the forum Member Data base could also be looked at, particularly if our locations were all updated and maditory, or at least ask members to fill in their town/suburb & state. Then the forum would be able to identify large concentrations of members within say 3 or 4 hunderd kms radius. The center of that circle would be a good spot for a show. The organizers might feel this info would even be worth paying for, say in the form of a free stall for Ubeaut.

    Prolly still wont get a show in Adelaide, but it might put one within 4 or 5 hours drive.


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    Originally Posted by crowie
    I'd like to see the event organizers encourage the event stand people [vendors] to ensure that they are offering good quality/quantity "event only discounts" to those of the public who attend the event; especially after a good demonstration where folk are taken by the professional presentation, the "event only discount prices" makes the purchase easy.
    U-Beaut has always discounted their prices and quite dramatically for the shows. I believe that's what a show is for. We are there to generate new business for our distributors, best way to do this is to demonstrate and make it affordable for new users to have a go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ticky
    You could have a team of trailer builders demoing skills, equiment, Hands on have a go etc. then a trailer could be raffled off as a door prize. might not make the ticket price seem so high with a chance of winning a trailer
    Ticket prices are already discounted through the forums and the wheelbarrow full of tools that is raffled is well worth paying the entry fee for.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveTTC
    Once upon a time the 'shows' were free as were the show bags.
    I have been doing all these shows since day one. It's 25 years this year since it all began with the first show in Melbourne and in all that time there has never been free shows or free show bags. I have gone to major agricultural shows since I was 4 yrs old, almost 60 years and can never remember any of them or their show bags being free. Must have been a really long, long time ago Dave and not in your life time.

    The following is part of wheelinrounds deleted post and his followup.:
    Quote Originally Posted by wheelinround
    I planed for this years TWWWS can they live up to the statement below

    The Timber & Working With Wood Show is Australia's premier event for woodworking.
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    they are advertising something they can't promise
    There is no other show for woodworkers that can honestly make the same claim, including the pathetic one attached to a craft show that's trying to knock this one off. Make of the show what you will but there is no other woodworking show that even comes close to this one and I doubt there ever will be in my lifetime.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveTTC
    I took my son and daughter to the 2011 T&WWW show in Melbourne, they lasted 2 hours and even at that they struggled. Fortunately for me they decided to let me have my day and they just went and sat around (both in late teens)
    So here's the beauty of going back to Jeffs Shed. There is plenty for the kids and mum/dad to do, with South Bank across the road, the aquarium, shopping, theatres. museum, art gallery, markets restaurants, lane-ways and arcades to explore and a whole lot more all within a few minutes walk. Also Crown Casino and the "Galactic Circus" Australia's largest interactive indoor theme park with rides, arcade games movies etc. just across the road. If something in amongst that lot doesn't keep the rest of the family happy whilst you look at the show then nothing will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubeaut View Post



    I have been doing all these shows since day one. It's 25 years this year since it all began with the first show in Melbourne and in all that time there has never been free shows or free show bags. I have gone to major agricultural shows since I was 4 yrs old, almost 60 years and can never remember any of them or their show bags being free. Must have been a really long, long time ago Dave and not in your life time.



    So here's the beauty of going back to Jeffs Shed. There is plenty for the kids and mum/dad to do, with South Bank across the road, the aquarium, shopping, theatres. museum, art gallery, markets restaurants, lane-ways and arcades to explore and a whole lot more all within a few minutes walk. Also Crown Casino and the "Galactic Circus" Australia's largest interactive indoor theme park with rides, arcade games movies etc. just across the road. If something in amongst that lot doesn't keep the rest of the family happy whilst you look at the show then nothing will.

    Neil
    free - going off what my parents and grand parents used to tell me

    Melbourne as a location - for me as a family cost prohibitive.

    The aquarium costs $35 per head, My wife had 6 kids to her ex and we've had 3 together. No thanks. If we are driving to Melbourne to do all those other things why go to the T&WWW Show.


    The ideas of an incorporated affair seem to come thru with a number of posts,

    Take the T&WWW show and make it a family affair that caters for a broader spectrum. Most who go may be retired or close to
    * they are not the future (they may be the backbone)
    * you need to attract the next generation
    * the idea has come up several times, include as 'part' of the show

    - another show, crafts etc
    - a get together
    - swap meet
    - space for own tools etc where woodies can set up and do work (I have more ideas around this)
    - include steel work etc
    - advice area for those who have bought projects with them
    - get in on the tv show by fineboxes, get him to do an episode from the show
    - incorporate something like the australian woodturners exhibition and other exhibitions

    add to this ideas they may or may not have come up
    - kids corner, painting, crafts, games, jumping castle

    my suggestion, you have probably done this but just incase - go thru all the ideas and any others you may have and make them into as brief dot points as you can.

    order them in what you like to don't like, then have a deep serious look at the ones you dont like and give serious consideration wether some of these could actually work

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    Apologies if this has already been mentioned - advertising and publicity is very expensive so conjuring up something for free is a good aim. Talkback radio is often on the lookout for topics so an idea may be to devise something that they will grab and run with. Eg a Box to Box challenge. Someone donates a log of well seasoned red, grey, white, yellow box then it gets converted within a couple of hours into a beautiful box. This challenge could be run twice a day, followed on the big screen and at the end of the weekend, a radio host could be part of a panel to discuss and judge the finished boxes. Boxes could then be auctioned with proceeds going to a popular charity in return for their prior assistance in publicity. Different boxes could incorporate turning, marquetry, pyrography, carving, different finishes, etc. The work in progress could be passed around to different exhibitors/stands to have them make their contribution. Not sure there is a world record for this sort of challenge but I'm reminded of the publicity that was obtained by last year's race to turn standing wheat crop into a loaf of bread. Cheers

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    I was looking through a 12 year old copy of the Australian Woodworker today at the mens shed and came across the article for the T & WWW show. There used to be a national woodwork competition and a national toy making competition.

    There was great emphasis in the article to come and see the entries to be inspired, something that is now lacking.

    Don't know why they were dropped but worth reinstating to draw bigger crowds.

    Peter.

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    All woodworkers love looking at other's workshop and sheds as shown by the popularity on this forum.

    Why not have a national photo entry shed competition for a large static photo display of sheds for everyone to look at.

    Make the prizes for the best state entries free passes for attending the show. Not expensive but would give hours of interest to show visitors.

    Developed from Springwater's photo display for the forum lounge in Melbourne last year. This display attracted so many visitors that it was easy to talk about the forum to them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by View Post
    I forgot to take it out of hiding. The first was deleted.

    I am not questioning that. The post was a hijack and NOT on topic the way it was worded.

    As said above it was a hijack and not on topic for this thread. Had you worded it differently instead of it being a whinge, bitch or moan then it would still be there.

    It was not deleted without a discussion by the mods who all agreed that it was off topic. i just delivered the blow.

    Like I said before look at the original posting.
    There was no whinge at all intended or implied sorry you see it that way not my problem. I love it when words are doctored to suit the need.

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    Why not combine the display of the Australian Woodturners Exhibition in a way that all states with shows get a chance to see these works It could work as a major draw card with each state show having a vote as to which is Show Choice.

    Similar for all major woodworking branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ticky View Post
    Where are you guys?

    Am I the only one in SA that is missing the T&WWW Show?

    Bit of support here wouldn't go astray



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    i think i answered you by email this morning. We would love to go back to Adelaide however understandably at this time we don't have the exhibitor support - we tried 3 years ago, exhibitors supported us and gave the Adelaide Show another go but sadly the visitors who attended didn't support them by way of purchases. We ended up by making a huge loss, and i know some of the exhibitors did too. Adelaide off our calendar at this time! Liz

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    Hey Liz,

    I still havent checked my emails yet today, & It's nearly tomorrow. It gets late early around here.

    I am not 100% certain, but I think I am the only Crow Eater posting on this thread, so if thats any indication of SA Support for the T&WWW Show, I don't blame you mate.

    I would be interested to hear some feed back from you on some of the ideas put forward on this thread though Liz.

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    Hi Steve (Ticky),

    Try looking in The Australian Woodworker or Australain Wood Review for a list of woodworking events. If you don't get the mags regularly, try your local library or their webpage. Of course this forum has upcoming events too. The T&WWW shows also give you a lot of contacts...

    In many hobbies/pursuits, it pays to become educated in the field and spending some dollars and/or hours on knowledge goes a long way towards enriching your experiences.

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    After attending this years Canberra show and being completely disappointed, I realised that if it continues in this vein I won't be attending next year. On reading the threads I agree with most of the comments. The truth of the matter is that the only ones who can improve the show is the organisers. A friend of mine attended the show with the view to purchasing a table saw. As you can guess he went home early completely underwhelmed with only one genuine cabinet table saw to look at, that being a Laguna. I have been attending these show for more years than I care to remember and in the early days you could equip your whole workshop with the different vendors at the show. All willing the demonstrate their wares. The general comment from some vendors is that is too expensive to participate. Maybe we need a new venue eg Queanbeyan or the South Coast. I enjoy attending these shows but if they don't start having more exhibitors, I'm sorry I will not be coming. As a visitor to these shows I can't do much to attract more people which unfortunately leaves it up to the organisers. Maybe as I suggested once before to have a new products corner ( many of which appear in the woodworking Magazines) similar to "Joe the Gadget Man" of Nock and Kirby fame. I believe the late Les Miller used to do something along this vein. It is hard to have a positive attitude in the current trend of the shows. I congratulate the regular contributors to the shows, but some of these have slowly gone by the wayside eg Mcjings, Fein. Festool, Makita just to name a few. I hope that some of these suggestions on the Forum can make a difference to improve the show to bring back the exhibitors and visitors and make the shows the huge success thy used to be.

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    I haven't had much of a chance to go through this entire thread as I have just finished the Canberra WWW show but for those who were there on the weekend, what on earth happened?

    I have been involved with the woodcraft guild and the show for quite a few years now and have never seen it so quiet. To be able to go to a retailer on Saturday lunch and actually have a conversation, let alone be able to purchase something was as totally new experience.

    The ACT Woodcraft Guild chopped and changed on deciding to put road signs up for the show and decided, that with the election and our own late organisation, that it wasn't worth it or possible. Now I wonder. . . .

    With less and less retailers every year and with less and less public, I do wonder if the Canberra show is going to fold (which is the rumor every year). Not knowing until the last few weeks if the show will even be on makes planning for our exhibition and competition a last minute scramble when it could be so much easier as well as not being able to sort out demonstrating and space considerations.

    Interestingly, a few weeks ago, the Guild had a stall at the Craft fair and I was amazed and totally thrilled at the organisation and professionalism in arranging a stall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubeaut View Post
    OK people here's your chance to stop complaining about the Timber & Working With Wood Shows and submit your ideas to the organisers for consideration.

    Couple of suggestions:


    • Don't run down the organisers. They are the best the shows have ever had and more than willing to listen and act on any reasonable and affordable suggestions.
    • Leave your negativity outside of this thread.
    • Submit any and all suggestions no matter how big or small.
    • Be realistic with your suggestions.
    • Just because you think a suggestion is dumb or silly doesn't mean doesn't mean it isn't a good suggestion. It may well be the suggestion on everyone's tongue something they were scared to submit.


    I can't emphasise this one too much.
    • Above all else be realistic.


    Cheers - Neil

    Like so many on this forum my main issue is the cost to exhibitors. As the distributor of Clearvue products I would love to exhibit at the show. However, merely to cover my costs I would need to sell more than 20 machines which is I think unrealistically optimistic. The cost of having a stall at the excellent Melany show is about 3% of that in Brisbane.

    I am not for a moment suggesting that the organisers are profiteering but maybe the overhead of the venue is just unsustainable. I felt this year that the Brisbane show was disappointing for the lack of variety of stalls and demos. I am sure that there must be many others like me who just cannot justify the cost of the stand plus travel and other costs. It is hard enough to sell products that need to be imported and then freighted around Australia It would be impossible to sell anything if one built in the cost of several of these shows each year. It is much easier for the likes of CarbaTec who can direct sell at the shows and have a huge relative volume of sales. I also suspect that their margins are much better than mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toymaker Len View Post
    1) Another venue close to the WWW show but seperate that has something for all the family, furniture makers, sculptors, turners, luthiers, etc. Maybe the clubs will want to take a stand. Maybe Bungendore woodworks or some of the bigger gallerys. Maybe other types of quality handmade craft like glass, ceramics, fabrics, metalcraft. Spaces from 3mx3m to 5mx5m undercover or outdoors. Showgrounds are ideal with lots of parking and variety of sheds.
    Len,

    I live in Bungendore and they already sponsor our local ACT Woodcraft guild exhibition and we are very grateful for that. Many businesses who are located close to the shows don't have a stand because
    a) they have to pay for the stand as well as pay for the rent of their own shops
    b) they have to pay employees at the stand as well as at their own shops

    The 3x3m gazebo is surprisingly small when it comes to demonstrating woodwork. The ACT guild does many shows and even a 6x3m leaves us tripping over ourselves but I guess it would depend on what one wanted to demonstrate or sell.

    Showgrounds is a fantastic idea. Woodworking is something that may be seen at the next Bungendore Show. . . . .

    These things are hard to organize, though, and the volume of communication and hard work just to get one show or event organized is sometimes a miracle!

    By the way, every show in every different location is different. The Canberra show may be smaller and have less people but it can still be so busy one can't move or get to a retailer for three days to buy so

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