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View Poll Results: Do you attend the Timber and Working With Wood Shows

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  • Yes - Never miss it (tell us why below)

    283 50.27%
  • Yes - but only every few years (tell us why below)

    141 25.04%
  • Yes - but not this year (tell us why below. If you're going away don't bother)

    43 7.64%
  • No - never been to one (tell us why below)

    68 12.08%
  • No - Think they're a rip off (voice your oppinion below)

    4 0.71%
  • Not interested - waste of time (what might entice you come? Tell us why below)

    3 0.53%
  • What's a Timber and Working With Wood Show?

    25 4.44%
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  1. #1
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    Default Working With Wood Shows

    I am looking for feed back on the Timber and working with wood shows. This will be submitted to DMG (the show organisers) along with information being gathered from other surveys etc, currently being conducted all over Australia in the hope of making the shows bigger and better than they have ever been.

    This is not being done to line the pockets of DMG but to make the shows more interesting and fun for the show going public and ensure that they keep running. These shows can represent up to one third or more of many businesses annual income so it is also important to them that the shows not only continue but hopefully grow bigger and become better patronised, preferably by people with money to spend. If not it could spell the end of some businesses and the shows themselves.

    For many of the exhibitors these shows cost many tens of thousands of dollars. For us to have a small stand it will cost in the vicinity of $5,500 - $6,000 for Melbourne (our home Show), This includes stand fee, accommodation, meals, travel and work down time of over a week (some shows we can lose up to 3 weeks production time).

    It all looks simple to the outsider. Go to show, set up stand, make money. It is so much more than that. For some almost 6 mth of the year goes into doing these shows. Not only do they have to stock their shops but often have to have many hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stock in packing crates being shipped off all over the country to the shows and often sitting in storage for many weeks between shows. The logistics are and expenses are enormous.

    Anyway all that aside what I really want here are your honest opinions. Don't beat around the bush or hold back, tell me what you really think about the shows.

    Why do you go?

    Why don't you go?

    What would make the shows more attractive to you and others?

    What is missing from the shows that you really would like to see?

    Etc, etc, etc.

    I'm not asking you to fill the following pages with negative responses. What I am doing is giving you a voice in helping to improve these shows for everyone.

    This poll along with your honest and frank opinions and suggestions will be presented to DMG and a steering group of exhibitors at a special meeting on the Thursday night before the show and I promise you all concerns and suggestions will be addressed by people committed to making these shows better for all.

    Cheers - Neil

    This is a deadly serious post let's try and keep it that way.

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    Good one Neil.

    First off they need to get rid of the "squishie pillows", "the magic tree pruners" and the "magic paint pad" sellers.

    It should be a show dedicated to timber an tools only.

    Al

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    And the bloody shoe polishers!
    Jack the Lad.

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    Thumbs up

    Why do I go?

    To stock up on UBeaut supplies
    To check out any newly-released tools and equipment, new (to me) inventions and ideas
    To stock up on any other supplies needed, check out the supplier and goods before purchasing online from them
    To find new suppliers
    To pick up some interesting pieces of timber
    To support the woodturning/worker clubs by buying something from their stands
    To meet & catch up with fellow woodworkers
    To keep up to date with what's around, what's happenening, get new catalogues and training brochures
    To get new ideas
    To pick up any great specials I just can't be without


    Why wouldn't I go

    Too sick to drive
    Act of God


    What I'd like to see more of?
    Displays of woodwork
    More interesting & rare pieces of timber
    Artists in Action - eg someone building something throughout the whole weekend

    Cheers & Thanks for the chance to give some feedback.

    Wendy

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    I first started going to check out the machinery and tools that were on offer.
    This was the most important thing to me when I started to set-iup my shed.

    Nowadays I find I go more to get those pieces of timber that are not usually easily available and also to catch up with fellow forumites.

    Of course, replenshing my stock of Ubeaut products is always a priority as well.

    I really think that the Sydney show has gone down hill since I first started going and I think that a lot of the reason for that is the rise of the non-woodworking exhibitors (think comfort pillows et al ) together with a fall off in woodwork exhibitors (Henry Bros and Hafco for instance).

    It would also be good to see the major players offer some genuine show discounts.

    ABove all I reckon that they have to boot out the non-woodwork exhibitors or it runs the risk of just turning into an annual "Paddy's Market".

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    Ours was cancelled this year. (Tas)
    Ozwinner.and wendy summed it up perfectly.
    I was always at the Brisbane ones and a definite decline in
    the shows was seen
    And the cost to exhibitors is outragious !
    Its not worth having a stand.
    p.t.c

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    Ditto for Al and Wendy. I love going to find show specials and learn about what's available.

    CHeers

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozwinner View Post
    Good one Neil.

    First off they need to get rid of the "squishie pillows", "the magic tree pruners" and the "magic paint pad" sellers.

    It should be a show dedicated to timber an tools only.

    Al
    NO way :mad: :mad: :mad:

    I spend half my time watching those guys, buying star mops and miracle gutter cleaners.

    The magic paint pad is actually an excellent tool. So are those fibre cloths.

    :mad:

    And I think offering show discounts is just enhancing the problem for suppliers. You only have to rad posts in here all the time advising people to wait until the show before buying - it will be on special etc. They make a rod for their own backs. The people put off buying until the show, they sell more at the show because of it and less in the shop for the same reason. Then they have to keep going to the show because they can't afford to miss out on sales. So they get committed and the show organisers put up the fees because they have a captive audience.

    If the show wasn't there, we'd all still have the same tools we have today. No extra sales are created at the show, just transferred from elsewhere.

    But I like going to buy the mops.
    If at first you don't succeed, give something else a go. Life is far too short to waste time trying.

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    I have been to two, last year and the year before in Sydney. It's a half day drive to get there. I usually time a work-related trip to Sydney to coincide but this year I was too busy with the house building to give up a weekend. I will probably go next year.

    I had thought of going to the Canberra one but had heard that it's not as big as Sydney (the show, not the city ). Had no money to spend around the time of the Canberra one this year anyway.

    What I like about them is checking out all the stuff I read about in mags or here that I don't normally get to look at, like the HNT Gordon and Lie-Nielsen stands. I like looking at the second hand stuff and checking out the work on display. I don't bother with the demos and the timber looks overpriced to me, but then I'm a cheapskate. I usually catch up with some forum members, but I can take that or leave it For some reason, I always seem to be hung over when I go too, I don't know why.

    I don't care too much about the non-woodie related stuff in that it wouldn't stop me going. If it takes over, I would steer clear though. I can go to Paddy's Market for free. You do have to ask yourself what's in it for DMG to have those exhibitors in there. Are they having trouble making up the numbers from the woodwork related businesses and organisations?

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    Never been to one, which I'm a bit embarrassed about...having worked in the industry, and it continues to be a passion. Main reason I guess is it means a 4 hr round trip, which has to be added to other costs like parking and entry, food etc.
    Why haven't I made the effort, despite the advertising:
    I guess if it sounded more like a "festival" of like minded woodworking enthusiasts, with displays of a wide range of woodwork and people actually working, and some historic stuff (that side of it interests me greatly), and not just a marketing exercise, with emphasis on the latest gimmick, I'd make a day of it. More on the inspiration, the "how-to" or even "what-to", than "what-with", but that sounds pretty naive!
    The recent woodfair I went to up here was a case in point...all woodworking related, gold coin donation entry, with only the odd bit of merchandising. Timber for sale, and artisans showing their wares, so it was more about woodwork than the machinery and supplies, not a tradeshow.

    Cheers,
    Andy Mac
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    I would go to each and every one but for the distance/time/money factors. I have been to two and bought UB products at both, drooled over almost everything else in the joint (except the magic mops and pruners) and will go to them again, when time/money concerns are no longer an issue.

    Dan
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    I have only been to the most recent one but I think it is unlikely that I would go every year.

    Why go?

    1. A great selection of suppliers and the chance to do comparison shopping on a wide range of wood stuff
    2. A number of good prices on things you want to get
    3. Interesting timber to look at
    4. Good people to talk to
    5. U-Beaut products
    6. Intersting demonstrations and exhibitions in the non-trade section (esp the wooden boats)
    7. The one or two exhibitors whose products you didn't know about

    Why not go?

    1. Internet shopping enables good comparison shopping and often gives as good a price as Show specials
    2. I tend to be too concerned about making impulse buys, so I leave without the thing I really need - exhibitors would do well to allow 2 month rain checks to show shoppers at the show price to avoid this
    3. The entry price is high - you feel you need to pick up a great bargain to make up for the cost
    4. The number of non-wood exhibitors
    5. If any more of the most desirable exhibitors decide not to turn up
    Will I go next year? Probably so long as I am free on the day, the price doesn't go up too much and the exhibitor list doesn't get too short on "true wood" and the exhibitors I want to see. But for me it is a year by year proposition and after next year, I will probably only go if I have a reason to go (BTW part of the reason not to go is that Neil's postal service is so good and you don't have to queue!!! )
    Cheers

    Jeremy
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    I travel 650km to see the wood show and wouldn't miss it as long as there is breath in my body!!

    The displays that are not woodwork related, need to be banned. As I pay my entrance fee to see what the advertising tells us, it is a woodworking show.

    The static displays don't interest me that much. The working displays are of most interest to me, eg, Richard Vaughan, Terry Gordon, Givkins, Bush Tucker Man(Les Hiddons).

    Woodshow specials that I am Interested in would be handy, as I would actually buy something!!

    Cheers.

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    I go 'cause I deliver a load of stuff to there and get a free pass.
    I also save up so I can spend up there.
    Nice to look around.
    Wish I had more money to spend there.

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    Being new to this woody stuff, I had never really taken much notice of the wood show ads. Then, after doing a few wood courses at TAFE (WA) I was asked to go as a demonstrater for Women in Wood stand - turning. WOW the wood show was fantastic and the only thing that stops me going each year (it's only 450 km round trip - nothing here in the west) is other committments.

    I found some great 'new' things, often good prices, fantastic new ideas.

    Some have mentioned the 'other stalls' - they help reduce costs by hiring a stall remember!

    JD

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