Thread: Not a good day

Originally Posted by prozac

I think you have all missed the point.

Google "dog bite" Prozac then YOU might get the point.

Originally Posted by Geoff Dean

What point? A dog has, without provocation, viciously attacked a child and you stand there and defend the right of the dog not to be put down.

I think if any point has been missed, it's by you.

Geoff and others i think the point here is that this is a very sensitive issue to Toni and we have given her our opinion.

One post each has conveyed how you feel about the issue. To continue to "argue/debate/procrastinate" about the subject, to me, only shows a lack of respect for the person that originated this thread.

Surely that is not your intention but i dont think Toni deserves or has asked for us to beat her around the head with the subject/our opinion.

That is the point.

Yes i will go into bat for anyone i think is getting a raw deal. - (no smilies need)

Cheers

I'd suggest that if what a person is after is sensitivity and respect, then a public forum is not the place to get it.

It is only natural that if you post a topic like this, you are going to attract a certain amount of debate. It's what we do. It is the forum's raison d'être. Some people will respond sympathetically, some will respond critically. It's not for you to say who is right or wrong. We are expressing an opinion.

If people don't want these matters discussed, then it is up to them whether they post them in the first place. It is probably a good idea to remember that this is not a private room and posts can be read by anyone anywhere anytime. You can't post here and then get upset that people want to discuss what you have posted.

thats true but good manners and respect should be shown on all occasions, even in a public forum.

Would you say these things to their face (say around a barbeque) or are you using the protection of absenteeism to give your opinion.

Would you say these things to their face ...

In this case, most definitely.

I'm not suggesting we should drop all decorum. I'm just saying that if a person doesn't want their private matters discussed in public, then a public forum is not the best place to announce them but that having done so, they should accept the criticism along with the sympathy.

Originally Posted by Calm

Geoff and others i think the point here is that this is a very sensitive issue to Toni and we have given her our opinion.

One post each has conveyed how you feel about the issue. To continue to "argue/debate/procrastinate" about the subject, to me, only shows a lack of respect for the person that originated this thread.

Surely that is not your intention but i dont think Toni deserves or has asked for us to beat her around the head with the subject/our opinion.

That is the point.

Yes i will go into bat for anyone i think is getting a raw deal. - (no smilies need)

Cheers

Originally Posted by silentC

In this case, most definitely.

I'm not suggesting we should drop all decorum. I'm just saying that if a person doesn't want their private matters discussed in public, then a public forum is not the best place to announce them but that having done so, they should accept the criticism along with the sympathy.

I have not suggested that we not discuss this matter or give your opinion, what i am saying is good manners and respect would be to make one post - have your say - and
leave it at that, not continue on about it. This is especially relevant to sensitive issues like this.

Have your say but dont keep "bashing the person over the head" with your opinion.

The good thing about opinions is everyones is right - but maybe only to them.

That is the point.

Cheers

Originally Posted by silentC

In this case, most definitely.

I'm not suggesting we should drop all decorum. I'm just saying that if a person doesn't want their private matters discussed in public, then a public forum is not the best place to announce them but that having done so, they should accept the criticism along with the sympathy.

Calm has stated the case eloquently as usual. Toni's post was "Not a good day" to get off her chest (sorry Toni) that she is upset, her little boy is in some discomfort. Some members here have taken this as an offer to attack Toni. They may not feel that voicing an opinion no matter how bad mannered in discussion is one thing, continuing to force that message home is rude and boorish behavior. Toni is upset enough about this already.

This is the Health Issues forum and not the Open Slather forum, and common manners prevail. You may not have noticed that Toni is no longer contributing to this thread? No doubt she is feeling a bit remorseful that she ever started it. Show her some respect as you would anyone else in this forum.

It's a debate! A debate consists of two sides putting forth their views. All I can do is keep repeating that if a person doesn't want their private matters debated on a public forum, they shouldn't post them. Doing so gives us license to have at them. We have rules about how these debates are conducted, and so far, with the exception of Prozac (and my tongue-in-cheek response) they have not been broken. We are discussing the general idea of whether a dangerous dog should be relocated or destroyed. This is a topic that has been aired in public many times. It does not belong to the OP. Subjects like this take on a life of their own. You only have to open the newspapers to see this in action. It is how we as a society reach consensus on all manner of things. If the OP doesn't like the discussion taking place, then she is at liberty to ask the mods to close he thread.

Originally Posted by silentC

It's a debate! A debate consists of two sides putting forth their views. All I can do is keep repeating that if a person doesn't want their private matters debated on a public forum, they shouldn't post them. Doing so gives us license to have at them. We have rules about how these debates are conducted, and so far, with the exception of Prozac (and my tongue-in-cheek response) they have not been broken. We are discussing the general idea of whether a dangerous dog should be relocated or destroyed. This is a topic that has been aired in public many times. It does not belong to the OP. Subjects like this take on a life of their own. You only have to open the newspapers to see this in action. It is how we as a society reach consensus on all manner of things. If the OP doesn't like the discussion taking place, then she is at liberty to ask the mods to close he thread.

Like i said before - your opinion is right - but maybe only to you.

Thats my opinion, not a debate.

cheers

Hi Toni,
I really hope your boy is feeling better and heals quickly. It's a horrible situation and I feel for you and your family, but I must agree with others that have expressed the opinion that the dog should be put down.

I love dogs and have been in the situation where a border collie cross pup (about 9 months old) ran down and mauled a fully grown wether. It didn't kill the wether but it left it in a ghastly state (and it had to be put down). Needless to say the dog was put down very soon afterwards.

So not only do you have to consider the safety of people (kids in particular) that will come into contact with the dog, you need to also be mindful about the damage it may inflict on other animals it comes into contact with.

Originally Posted by silentC

.......... We are discussing the general idea of whether a dangerous dog should be relocated or destroyed. This is a topic that has been aired in public many times. It does not belong to the OP. Subjects like this take on a life of their own. ...............If the OP doesn't like the discussion taking place, then she is at liberty to ask the mods to close he thread.

As the topic has moved away from the original post, take the debate to it's own thread.

This thread is closed.

Wendy
Head Moderator

Posted on Behalf of lubbing5cherubs:

Jock has been rehomed to a property. This was not an easy decision for me. At the end of the day the decision is between me and my family and George who has got the dog.

The biggest factor in me rehoming the dog and not getting him put to sleep immediatley was the simple fact that my son who got bitten adamantly did not want the dog killed. So I respected his wishes as he was the one hurt. I trust my little boy and I ain't going hurt his heart anymore than what he's been through.
I really understand both sides of the coin here but this was the decision that I made that I can live with. We all involved are happy about it. Andrew can cope with this decision and at the day his feelings are important to me.

Finally, I am ok, I understand and respect that we are all entitled to our opinions and I ask that you too respect mine in this decision. I really do not mind either way that this is the decision that has taken place and I know that if Jock dares even raise a lip at someone he will be in puppy heaven fast than you can open your mouth.

This is the very end of the discussion. Thank for your support and for respecting my decision.
bye Toni