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    Default Interesting death risk graph

    Stumbled across this the other day on an Oxford Uni Website (Number of deaths by risk factor - Our World in Data)

    In the top 11 risk factors, the only factor largely out of an individual's control is air pollution.
    Interestingly air pollution is one of the few risk factors that has not increased from 1990 and 2017 and was overtaken by high blood sugar a few years back. Be interesting to know where recent and ongoing bush fires move this risk factor

    Some interesting comparisons; Alcohol V drug use, Fruit V Veg.

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    Go to the website Bob linked and change countries/regions. The differences are interesting.
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    Interesting stuff. Just got to be careful with interpretation as these are absolute numbers - eg deaths due to drug use v alcohol: A lot more people drink alcohol, so although the number is bigger, the proportion is likely a lot smaller than deaths d/t drug use.

    I'm going to make sure I don't die of discontinued breastfeeding.

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    Actually it probably isn't. Government propaganda loves to paint recreational drugs are the work of the devil but in fact most are quite benign compared to the legal ones.

    It's almost impossible to kill yourself with heroine and cocaine provided they are supplied reasonably clean. It takes very little nicotine or pure alcohol to kill you.

    Ask an ambulance driver what they think of alcohol abuse. It's only recently the rise of ice etc that they have had big issues attending. Alcohol is an incredibly destructive force in our society and always has been.
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    In the US drug related deaths began outnumbering those caused by alcohol in 1999. Drugs are now ahead 105k to 81k.

    Absolute numbers are important when it comes to the total cost of health care for a society as well as the allocation of public health resources, Relative numbers are meaningful when you are focused on your own behavior.

    Also, I wonder why suicide isn't listed? It's fairly high on the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmorse View Post
    In the US drug related deaths began outnumbering those caused by alcohol in 1999. Drugs are now ahead 105k to 81k.
    In the US prescription drugs or illicit opioids make up about 70% of drug related deaths, and it's about the same % in Australia.
    But in per capita terms the US has about 5x more deaths from prescription drugs or illicit opioids.
    For alcohol the per capita rates are about the same.

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    I wonder if there are figures for males over 60. I had a crash, well actually a slow motion fall onto my side when the mountain bike went right and I went left. The nurse 2 doors down saw it happen and rushed up and called a meat wagon. Hey lady thanks for your concern, but I am ok, except for the red stuff coming out of my foot, knee, elbow and fingers. Sorry, you hit your head hard, so you may have concussion. Okay, arrived in the ER, lady doc checks me over, mmmm, you have history of falling out of a tree and off a ladder before. What was it this time, oh it was my bike. She then told me that the main admission for males over 60 is falling off roofs and ladders.
    Anyway, to save me anymore radiation, we will keep you in for 12 hours and monitor you. Well, it was the best 12 hours of free entertainment I have ever had, watching the coming and going of idiots like me and the drunks and druggies.
    They let me out, all okay, checked my helmet the next day and not a scratch on the hard plastic shell, no idea what nursey saw?
    Interesting graph above, but statistics don't always tell the true story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Croc View Post
    Interesting graph above, but statistics don't always tell the true story.
    Well they will rarely tell an y one individual's storey because very few of us are actually "average"

    Before Xmas I developed a sore ankle but only got to see the GP about it after new year and he diagnosed gout and prescribed some meds.

    Meanwhile I continued to walk dogs, drive, take stuff to the tip, visit mum and hauled around the grandies etc.

    After 3 weeks of gout meds - it was no better so back to the GP and he sent me off for a CT scan which uncovered a fractured ankle and I ws sent off to emergency.
    Even though I walked into the emergency ward unaided (OK I had a slight limp) the first thing they did was put me in a wheelchair and strapped a moon boot on.
    Several X-rays and consults from several orthos finally recommended surgery to install a plate sometime in the next few days. 4 hours later I was ready to be sent home provided I could pass the "use of crutches" test. When I tried to use the crutches I was a bit wobbly - everyone is first time if they have never tried it - so the nurse practitioner said I needed to have a Physio consultant assess and pass me otherwise I would have to be admitted into hospital and stay there until the surgery. Fortunately the Physio was a much more practical person and tried me out on a walker and then I was allowed to go home.

    Meanwhile I send the GP a sternly worded email about poor diagnosis etc and how I was deemed "too old and unstable" to begin crutches. He asked me if I would like to try some crutches again and he bought them around and I have been using them for 2 days. I'm still a bit wobbly but am getting better. At least I can now go up and down stairs and manoeuvre around or cluttered house a bit easier (even safer in some ways) than the walker.

    Meanwhile another "Senior Ortho" has called me and after a long chat he said my history and X-rays suggest I don't need surgery! Just wear the moonboot and keep the foot elevated and off the ground at all times for 6 weeks.

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    As a lifelong expert in broken bones I was quite alarmed when you said fracture and plate in the same paragraph.

    I have my own crutches (I've needed them so many times I decided to invest). The experience of using elbow crutches and shoulder crutches is entirely different. You will find strong opinions on which are better among us "experts". I hate the elbow type while others prefer them.

    If it's going to be a while you might care to try both. Or remain on the couch and have tea/whiskey/pavlova brought to you...My preferred option....
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    I tried the shoulder ones at the hospital and the elbow ones at home and didn't like either.

    The shoulder ones pinched my arm pits, and the elbow ones seem to require more shoulder and arm action/strength and are probably not quite as stable, especially if I want to be able to stop and use my hands while standing because I have to stand/walk on only one leg at all times.

    I was quite shocked at how weak my shoulders and arms were, and how unsteady I was on one leg, this has all come on in the last 6 weeks since I developed the ankle pain and spent a lot of time laying down.

    To help, I asked SWMBO to locate a selection of stools and chairs at various parts of the house so that at these points I can kneel on them with the leg of the bung foot while standing next to it with the other. This then enables me to remove either or both elbow crutches to do something useful like make a cup of coffee, or pull daks down in the toilet.

    The other annoying thing is not being able to carry anything like a cup of coffee so I have a bag around my neck and I put the coffee in a little thermos.

    Anyway I'm treating this as a way to improve my upper body strength. So I may end up with one weak leg but the other should be much stronger as should my arms and shoulders. HAH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Croc View Post
    I wonder if there are figures for males over 60. I had a crash, well actually a slow motion fall onto my side when the mountain bike went right and I went left.
    Geez, I hope this wasn't recent Crocy? You may have to invest in a Michelin Man suit.

    Slips trips & falls are the leading cause of injury for older Australians, and supposedly so is 60+yo males still thinking that they are still 30!

    I'm battery operated & also have vertigo, vestibular neuritis which can only be managed not cured. I'm also reminded by my cardiac specialist that I must get more exercise. Like Crocy I've had a couple of close calls on my mountain bike along Ross River, fortunately not requiring a visit to ED. The cardiac specialist casually says having vertigo is "a bit problematic" for exercising.

    Home maintenance, cleaning roof gutters etc, still needs to be done so I've invested in two Bailey platform ladders and only use them on "good days." Much safer option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    The shoulder ones pinched my arm pits, and the elbow ones seem to require more shoulder and arm action/strength and are probably not quite as stable, especially if I want to be able to stop and use my hands while standing because I have to stand/walk on only one leg at all times.
    For 'long term temporary' use I found that 1" foam duct-taped around the top of the arm ones worked wonders. Felt uncomfortable at first... but don't they anyway?

    Anyway I'm treating this as a way to improve my upper body strength. So I may end up with one weak leg but the other should be much stronger as should my arms and shoulders. HAH!
    Yeah, I spent 9 months in a hip cast... by the end the hurt leg was rattling around in the cast like a dry pea in a pod, but the pros wouldn't let me remove it. I could move my woodpile in no time flat, though!

    Any idea on what caused the initial fracture? It's a daunting thought to realise that we're at the age where we can hurt ourselves in everyday daily life without actually having an accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skew ChiDAMN!! View Post
    For 'long term temporary' use I found that 1" foam duct-taped around the top of the arm ones worked wonders. Felt uncomfortable at first... but don't they anyway?
    Yeah I don like any of them. Meanwhile overuse of the calliper type yesterday did something to my right shoulder muscles and now they are so sore I can't use them so its back to the walking frame and eventuate is sore to use.


    Yeah, I spent 9 months in a hip cast... by the end the hurt leg was rattling around in the cast like a dry pea in a pod, but the pros wouldn't let me remove it. I could move my woodpile in no time flat, though!

    Any idea on what caused the initial fracture? It's a daunting thought to realise that we're at the age where we can hurt ourselves in everyday daily life without actually having an accident.
    No idea.

    It must have happened sometime before Xmas because that's when I first noticed the pain and I was moving quite a bit of furniture at that time. The ankle felt fine if I did nothing but as soon as I loaded it up or walked on it for more than a few minutes it started getting sorer and sorer. I could walk about 1km with the dogs but the last few 100m were really sore so's I was limping. Because I take cortisone for another condition which reduces bone density, as does taking the cortisone itself, there was a possibility I have a problem in this area. However the CT scan showed my bone density was ok although this is not as definitive as a proper bone density scan which I will be sent off for shortly. I did have a proper bone density scan about 3 years ago before I started taking the cortisone and I was also OK then.

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    The leg will atrophy but it will recover quickly.

    My first broken leg was at 13 I think. I'd qualified for the school regional long distance run and was quite annoyed I couldn't make it. The upside is by the time I was off crutches my shoulders and arms were a lot bigger. Unfortunately our bodies don't respond so well anymore.

    Like all exercise you have to pace yourself. It's probably no consolation but I had a rough 2019. I am in such bad shape I had to start my recovery with 1/2 hour walks. I mowed and brushcut the front lawn on saturday and it took 3 days to recover

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    Well, I'm up there: High BP, diabetes and an ex smoker already suffering from its effects. Had my right lung removed about 3 years ago, then had chemo and radio when it returned, then it returned again. The cancer is going to chase mefor the rest of my life, three times in three years has to be some sort of a record.

    About four years ago I was diagnosed with very aggressive PsA, first to go was hip, then big toe, then fingers, elbows are totally shot, but I'm putting them off as that's for the last couple of years of life. Still need new left hip, wrists, shoulders and right hand fingers.

    When in hospital after hip replacement, they gave me a wheeled thingy to get around with, couldn't use that as my wrists and elbows were shot.

    I have had more steroid shots than Arny ever did: Lumbar x 4, cervical x 4, shoulder x 2, elbow x 3, wrist x 2, fingers x 4, hip x 1. Getting sick of old age, it really sucks. Oh well, not long to go according the graph and the Doctors, looking forward to never having to talk to a Doctor again.

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