Thread: diabetes

I saw in the ABC News that Glaxco has been fined $3 Billion in the US for false & misleading information on their diabetic drugs as well as over charging and other shennanigans. That was for just 3 charges out of about a dozen.

Hi to all,
Since I gave sugar away, I have found " A Sweetener " to my liking.
However, to buy from a Discount Chemist $4.20, to buy from a Super Market $8.99, & this is for 300 Tablets.
The D / Chemists do not stock it anymore. Asked My Diabetes Educator ( She is Fantastic) & suggested to try Priceline & Aldi.
Nothing at Priceline, BUT, Aldi have one called " Merryfield " Great Taste, just to my liking, 300 Tabs. $ 3.50.
So you may guess where I am getting my Tabs. from now on.

In defence of the other makes, I found them to be a little bitter to my taste.

My understanding is that these Tablets have no effect, like Sugar does to a Diabetic.
My Educator has told me they will not affect ME in any way.

Well I can tell you that some recent dutch research has suggested that your body "Tastes" sweet and reacts the same way.
I asked my Endo and she had not heard about it. She usually responds with have you looked it up on the internet???
If you can find on the web (sorry, I know) any information about a program called "sweet misery" its talk about aspartame.
Its the fake sugar, They talk about how it is the MOST tested substance (by themselves), When a big bunch of independent docs wanted to test it they refused to give them any to test.
Apparently it breaks down into stuff and Wood Alchohol, This part is poison and does not leave your system, pickling your insides like metho drinkers.
I'm still using it 25 times a day in coffee, Yes I drink 25-30 cups of coffee a day, Endo says coffee has no effect either.....
Peter

Originally Posted by _fly_

. . . Endo says coffee has no effect either.....
Peter

Coffee and its effect on diabetes is still not clear determined.
It's a bit like the red wine and heart disease debate.

This is what the American Journal of Nutrition says;

Several prospective epidemiologic studies over the past 4 y concluded that ingestion of caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee can reduce the risk of diabetes. This finding is at odds with the results of trials in humans showing that glucose tolerance is reduced shortly after ingestion of caffeine or caffeinated coffee and suggesting that coffee consumption could increase the risk of diabetes. This review discusses epidemiologic and laboratory studies of the effects of coffee and its constituents, with a focus on diabetes risk. Weight loss may be an explanatory factor, because one prospective epidemiologic study found that consumption of coffee was followed by lower diabetes risk but only in participants who had lost weight. A second such study found that both caffeine and coffee intakes were modestly and inversely associated with weight gain. It is possible that caffeine and other constituents of coffee, such as chlorogenic acid and quinides, are involved in causing weight loss. Caffeine and caffeinated coffee have been shown to acutely increase blood pressure and thereby to pose a health threat to persons with cardiovascular disease risk. One short-term study found that ground decaffeinated coffee did not increase blood pressure. Decaffeinated coffee, therefore, may be the type of coffee that can safely help persons decrease diabetes risk. However, the ability of decaffeinated coffee to achieve these effects is based on a limited number of studies, and the underlying biological

This finding that glucose tolerance is reduced shortly after ingestion of caffeine or caffeinated coffee and suggesting that coffee consumption could increase the risk of diabetes is one that is still being explored on. I have read somewhere (can't recall the source) that a cup of coffee turns a small carb meal into a large carb meal and a big carb meal into a HUGE carb meal. I suspect that this may have contributed to my contraction of diabetes because we have always eaten healthy at our place (i.e. no butter or animal fats for 20 years, lots of fruit and veg, relatively little sugar) but I had been eating big carb meals and drinking lots of double espressos (~8 per day). I'm not suggesting it was the only cause. I had stopped daily exercise after our dog passed away and was just eating too much.

There is no doubt that long term excess caffeine will increase BP so if you have diabetes and want to bump you BP up a notch then go for lots of cafeinatted coffee.

As you can guess I'm a mad coffee drinker too, I still have 2 double shot espressos for breakfast and then a couple more before before lunch. Then I switch to decaf. Fortunately I have a found an excellent source of freshly roasted decaf beans. SWMBO only has decaf. When we are both at home between us we go through about a kilo of coffee a week.

Damian
The misses was diagionised a few years ago , the free diabetic classes were a god sent . As for excercise google ' Heart Movers' in your local area , they have a great 1 hour excercise a week at local gyms , you don't have to be a member of the gym and their cost here is $5 for the session
They were originally set up for heart attack sufferes getting some good excercise but now cover the whole field
With only a few diet changes ( get a copy of " Simply too good to be true vol 3 , or any of them realy it's a cook book thats excellent for the kind of changes you need to make and still tastes good.) and some suitable excercise you'll be ok , if you need to go on to pill then so be it and these days if you need insullin the delivery system is fantastic gompared to years ago.
Also get registered with diabetics Australia as you medications , test equipment and on going help is government subsudised and affordable.

I noticed you mentioned soft drinks. Definately stop all soft drinks , a bloke should have 12 carb portions a day ( 1 portion being a slice of white bread ) a can of soft drink is 3 carb portions 1/4 your daily need in a single can , try the cotties concentrate with no added sugar it's about the lowest still with taste thats drinkable

Rgds and do something about it now and you'll get through it with the minimun of fuss.

One of the things my food diary is telling me is how little protein I've been eating. I like meat but I tend to minimise it in my diet, I guess just because it's so easy to eat. I only eat lean meat like eye sirloin chicken breast etc, although the odd bit of bacon. I'll probably have to increase my meat intake to stop getting hungry all the time.

It is an odd and unexpected observation. I'm finding the food diary quite useful. It actually stops me eating naughty things because you have to "confess" them afterwards

My excercise options are limited because of my knees. Even hosing a bit of glyphosate around the back yard on saturday made them quite sore. I'm up to 1500 meters in the pool now so trying to get 4 sessions a week in. I THINK I've lost a couple of kilos aswell.

Again thank you all for the comments.

Doing well by the sounds of it.
The swimming 4 times a week is just the right thing.
I'm guessing your weight will drop to when you are the weight you should always have been. It won't keep dropping, will level out.
Keep it up.

Good work Damian.

With the exercise it's a matter of hanging in there long enough to make it a habit. It may take months or even years but then if you stop you find you miss it.

Actually I enjoy it. I've always quite liked swimming laps, but the darn pools close in winter. I found one that's stayed open this year and apparently soon they will reopen the 50 m which was closed for maintenance. I'll miss the heating but after you've done 10 lengths or so you warm up.

The ice just makes you quicker

I'm looking into swim spas and tethered swimming to see if I can get a small pool for home and do that. Apparently a lot of people find the swim spas too turbulent to swim in, and other problems. I don't like 25m much and anything smaller would be painful.

Perhaps I'll ask a question here soon. The WWF has good advice on every subject.

Time is my enemy. I didn't have any before, haven't been in the shed for about a year apart from emergencies. Now I have negative time...sigh...

5.6!

doin the dance of the happy man.

Now to maintain it...

Originally Posted by damian

5.6!

doin the dance of the happy man.

Now to maintain it...

Well done Damian, keep up the great work. It's very refreshing to see how someone is taking his challenges by the scruff of the neck.

Well done Damien,
You've got it well in hand by the sounds.
Keep doing the exercise and you can almost eat anything.
You may even find that the doc takes you off meds if you keep it off.

And you've helped me as well. After telling you that exercise was the key I got a bit cheesed at myself for giving the advice and not taking it myself as much as I should. So now I do 45 mins (12 km) on exercise bike every morning. And I also got a walking machine.
I also park at the outside end of the shopping centre so I have to walk just that bit further.
Thanks for that part.

Good on ya
and keep going.

Onya Damo!

The doctor said: better than 11.9

I'm up around 2000 meters in the pool. It takes about 80 minutes but I'm not chasing an appearance in London. I just want to be over the aerobic threshold and stay there. I'm going to start working on speed though rather than just distance.

I was never put on meds. He thought we'd try diet/excercise first. I am going to see a dietician though, but I'm flat out for now between swimming, cooking and going in to get probed for the prostate problem. That's going to be uncomfortable esp if they take biopsies.

Anyway, not dead yet

_fly_ I deserve no credit. I am glad your getting back to it though. A spot of light excercise is probably good counsel for all. Best of luck!