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2nd March 2011, 07:46 PM #76Hewer of wood
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CBT works for some and not for others. There are other counselling approaches you could explore.
You need expert advice it seems of a type differing from what you've been getting, particularly if you want to reduce the meds. Speak to your GP about a process called 'stepping down' in conjunction with counselling from a registered psychologist or psychiatrist.Cheers, Ern
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2nd March 2011, 10:54 PM #77
Having suffered once when life seemed to turn against me, I know how easy it is to sink into the depth and how hard it is to escape. For me pills were not my answer, I used them as a crutch and was glad to throw them away the second I could.
Talking to doctors would not have done it for me either. I would have found that false. Eyes watching the clock, or so it would seem to me.
My strength is me, I look at me, I write it down and check to see if I lie about me.
In knowing me, I can control my ailments better.
But that is me not you. I honestly don’t care what people think. People ask how you are but don’t really want to know. If they asked me Id tell them about the pimple on my backside, they wont ask again.
So my advice is do what you did here. After you wrote your post, you felt that tiny bit better for it. Build on that, its worth a try.
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3rd March 2011, 06:24 AM #78Hewer of wood
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Someone who's disabled by depression and has been so for a long time will almost certainly need more help than they're getting.
GPs are not trained to provide expert counselling or pyschotherapy; to become psychiatrists postgrad training is required. But in my view a good counselling psychologist is likely to be a better option; regrettably the medicare rebate on their fees is limited to a few sessions that have to be recommended by a GP.
How do you find a good one? Ask around. See if there's a support group for depression sufferers in your area. Read up on counselling approaches on the web.
Yes, all this takes energy so it's one step at a time as rrobor says.Cheers, Ern
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3rd March 2011, 11:22 AM #79
Counseling may work for some, but not for all. When you break it down to its roots, counseling is only somebody else looking at you the way you have not done for yourself.
Ultimately you are the one who succeeds or fails.
You do not get a disability pension handed to you without a great deal of red tape. Even then, you can expect to be watched and monitored by big brother. Been there done that.
So has our friend here been through all of that? You bet he has.
My cure was Microsoft Word. I wrote it all out then stood back and read it. The marvel of doing this in Word is you can delete and try again as many times as needed.
I don’t say I am correct, its not that simple. What I do say is this worked for me. It broke me out of depression and it allows me to control the discomforts of arthritis and for a time, cancer.
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4th March 2011, 07:43 AM #80Hewer of wood
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That's good news.
But when you look at the side effects of going off long term depression meds, they are ugly and the process should be medically supervised. At the same time it's likely that Rod would need a 'cheer squad' to support him through this process, and with a bit of effort he can find a cheer squad who doubles as a coach.
Rod also has a depressed wife; that's not surprising since depression is catching.Cheers, Ern
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4th March 2011, 11:15 AM #81
Oh no, no way did I, or would I suggest Rod cuts and runs from his pills. The body tends to compensate for any medication so a rapid halt could be a leap into the unknown.
Rod told us he is a quiet bloke, he cares what others think of him, and to some extent he feels ashamed of the situation he finds himself in.
To be quite frank Rod position is rather similar to where I was. He hears people scream "Welfare cheats". and there he is on welfare. You have to be in that position looking out to understand why its easier to remove yourself from people and shrink deeper into your hole.
For me Therapy or cheer squads would not work, its not my style and my feeling is, its not Rods.
But that is his choice. The famous R D Laing did some wonderful programs years ago and was very successful, He believed in Rebirthing
Rods post was a large step for him, it allowed him an outlet into the general stream. And the posts here will also help to show him he is not alone and only the ignorant are there to condemn.
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4th March 2011, 12:56 PM #82
I have just read through all the threads from the beginning and apologize for digressing from the original theme.
But THANK YOU for your kind and understanding words regarding my situation!
Being on meds for so long now, and feeling like a guinea pig for a lot of the time,with a doctor prescribing a change and when you report back that they make you feel sick or what ever and he says "Oh, that's no good....take more'.
I was seeing a psychiatrist but then one by one they all either retired or moved out of town and left the town to be serviced by only a small number who would fly in and only look after the real "nutters" so I was then referred back to the GP and his "conveyor belt" (I like that analogy) I feel that I have been pushed into a back water mainly because I can't "buy" myself out as Medicare is limited in its assistance.
From what you fellas have said, would it be a proposition to try a naturpath?
I have played around with the meds I'm on a little but have had to always end up on the original levels
And yes it does feel a little bit of a relief to write down my thoughtsJust do it!
Kind regards Rod
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4th March 2011, 02:51 PM #83
For my rheumatoid arthritis I read a book that stated it was a food alergy, you just had to find out what food. Seemingly the food fewest people have trouble with is boiled cod and boiled spud.
I lasted 5 days before even the smell of that made me retch. Another stated that Apple cider vinigar was the answer, Didnt help me but my old mum swore by the stuff for ostio.
So my answer to your question is easy, the more you get involved with helping to cure yourself the greater will be your sucess. Try anything, try everything, Read up on it, talk about it, write about it.
Trying something and finding it doesnt work is better than not trying.
Lastly there may be times you may need to scream at someone, just to let it go,. Some religions have that, you write a message and then you burn it to send it to the Gods.
We dont have that so I give you my Emal address, [email protected] Sorry Im not a God. Im just an unknown person in cyberspace. Im sure if needed the others will suppiy links. Rob
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