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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Dog View Post

    G'day Phil....There's nothin wrong with a "chocker chain" (apart from the name which is misleading)...IF the dog has been trained properly. We have a lab that we had to have professionally trained as part of the conditions of purchase. She is or should I say we are (its as much about the handler as the dog) a little out of practice at the moment but, with a chocker chain I can lightly drape the lead around my shoulders and control her purely with hand signals. The chain is used purely to get the dogs attention before they run amuck with a short sharp but gentle tug that doesn't hurt. It is more the sound it makes than a physical reprimand. As TEEJAY says it works like a distraction thing not a punishment.

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    Not having a crack at you BD, but I hate these things being called choker chains...they are only choker chains if fitted incorrectly.

    Their correct name is a check chain, and when used properly, are very effective in helping to correct unwanted behaviour.

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    i have one of those electric shock ones if anyone interested ,i got it for the wife ,not a bad swap hey,but seriously they work well ,and the dogs learn quickly , and dont seem to suffer any long term affects. bob

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    I've used a citronella collar on a collie with a chronic woofing problem. Actually, I didn't have a problem until a moron (copper believe it not) moved in behind us and proceeded to leave a german shepherd alone for days on end. The shepherd would bark and annoy my dogs and inside of three months, I went from having quiet dogs to noisy dogs. So did a couple of neighbours - quiet neighbourhood to noisy because of one irresponsible idiot. When I moved, the older collie (who'd always been the calm, sensible type) settled down again, the young one (who wasn't even aware of the terms 'calm' and 'sensible') never did ... so I got a citronella collar.

    It worked in that when he woofed, it squirted him and he'd stop. Funny to watch, especially seeing him give a woof and then duck. The sod would actually practice trying to see how low he could woof without getting squirted. Sadly, it didn't teach him not to bark and I'd come home to an empty citronella canister and a funny smelling collie.

    With a jack russell, I'd suggest you've got no show - once they get like that they tend to stay that way, however a mate to keep him busy might help. The collar is worth a try but don't expect miracles.

    Under no circumstances would I shock a dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddles View Post
    Under no circumstances would I shock a dog.

    Richard
    I shock ours on a regular basis, sneak up behind them when they are asleep and clap hands, works every time
    A friend in the dog squad told me that when they teach the dog they give it a real bollocking and use a stick, never touch the dog though, the dog is supposed to think 'that was close, won't do that again'.
    When ours decide to bark at night usually a 100db 'SHUT UP' suffices.
    Stupidity kills. Absolute stupidity kills absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain View Post
    I shock ours on a regular basis, sneak up behind them when they are asleep and clap hands, works every time
    A friend in the dog squad told me that when they teach the dog they give it a real bollocking and use a stick, never touch the dog though, the dog is supposed to think 'that was close, won't do that again'.
    When ours decide to bark at night usually a 100db 'SHUT UP' suffices.
    Cat's are a better subject for that sort of thing, especially when they're awake but looking at something

    I knew a bloke who recommended bashing the floor next to the dog with a rolled newspaper. Didn't work for me and I'm sure the dog couldn't work out what the floor had done wrong.

    When I was a kid, my aunt had a corgie. She was a quiet, softly spoken lady who never swore. One day, the dog was barking and barking and barking. She'd tried her usual soft 'be quiet's and they hadn't worked. Then she asked herself, "What would David (my father) do?", grinned and stuck her head out the window and yelled "Dry up". She said later, the dog stopped instantly, looked at her in shock and hid under the tank stand for the afternoon.

    My current dog, Skipper, likes to sit on the back of the sofa and stare out the front window. If he sees another dog or a cat or a car or that funny blue stuff in the sky, he growls. If you tell him off, he thinks your growling at it too ie, you are supporting him, so he keeps doing it.

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    Heard a story about people who tried the zap ones. Put it on the dog, the dog yelped, dog got zapped, dog got a suprise at being zapped and yelped, dog got zapped, dog yelped, dog got zapped, dog ran yelping/being zapped. Apparently it didnt make much noise once they finally caught the dog and got the collar off.
    It's only a mistake if you don't learn from it.

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    I believe the collars that deliver an electric shock are illegal in Queensland and probably in the rest of Oz so go carefully or the RSPCA will have you in court.
    There are trainers around that specialise is teaching dogs (and their owners) to stop the problem. We have neighbours who got 'Bark Busters' on the Sunshine Coast on the job and it worked well for a while but they never followed up with the training so it was $200 wasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Hicks View Post
    I believe the collars that deliver an electric shock are illegal in Queensland and probably in the rest of Oz so go carefully or the RSPCA will have you in court.There are trainers around that specialise is teaching dogs (and their owners) to stop the problem. We have neighbours who got 'Bark Busters' on the Sunshine Coast on the job and it worked well for a while but they never followed up with the training so it was $200 wasted.

    Barry Hicks
    I would whole-heartedly agree with Barry; if the electric shock collars are not yet illegal, they will probably be heading that way shortly. And debarking of dogs is illegal in most, if not all, states.

    No matter which option you end up going for, the caveat on all of them is that you MUST train your dog as well not to bark - a.k.a. positive reinforcement; consistent, timely reward for the required behaviour (ie stopping barking). Discuss it with your own vet, ask for a referral to a behavioural specialist, and make sure you have done basic obedience training at your local dog club.

    Having been through it myself with a Mastiff / Great Dane cross who barked at the wind moving the grass, I can say that it is a very hard, frustrating and time consuming battle of wills!! Especially with athe history of your dog, and a breed that has a stubborn streak anyway.

    Paul

    PS the growl of our old dog was a much more effective deterrent than his bark; he once bailed up the local ranger for 15 minutes because no-one was home and he came into the back yard......

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