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    Quote Originally Posted by justinmcf View Post
    just got back from rocklea.
    thanks again to mark.
    all the best for the future mate.

    hi marg.
    now that i have the timber, i have a good idea what i want to do with it.
    first i will make a small coffee table and then i am going to make a cradle as the lady i worked for will be having a child soon.
    i will also try and make them a rocking horse from the plans i purchased last year and have never gotten round to using.

    i have no work at the minute, so these little projects will keep me making sawdust for a week or two!

    regards, justin.
    That is very thoughtful of you Justin re what you will make for the people who were flood effected.

    I hope that you get work again too soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineforyou View Post
    weather permitting,I might take the day off and go fishing on wednesday.Charlville very kindly gave me some marks were to go catch some fish at mud Island.


    So, the question that we all want to know the answer to is..... did you catch any fish at Mud Island, yesterday?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Charleville View Post
    So, the question that we all want to know the answer to is..... did you catch any fish at Mud Island, yesterday?


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    Hmmm,.. I forgot I had the new shed being delivered Wednesday and the electrician at 1.30 and a truck load of crusher dust for the slab and the plans off for council approval and a scale drawing to go and a meeting with the builder , I worked less when I had a business! The slab gets done on Saturday and then next week the shed I think goes up.I went with a barn style shed,12 m wide 14 long and 4.5 high.I hope everything from work will fit.
    Fishing is going to have to wait till Sunday I think.

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    that's going to be one very nice shed Mark

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    All right everyone,you've had enough time to make something with the timber. How about posting some photo's of what you put it to.
    I've just received the ok from council to go ahead with the shed. I thought it would'nt be a problem.I find out Im in a vegetation protected area! Council were great and gave a priorty to getting approval.I'll post some photos when we start assembling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineforyou View Post
    All right everyone,you've had enough time to make something with the timber. How about posting some photo's of what you put it to.

    Well, I'll start the ball rolling although I don't have much to show yet because, you see, there were three weeks of the Tour de France to watch every night, weren't there? It kinda buggers up the next day for woodwork or anything else when you don't get out of bed until about 10 am and then have breakfast such that the day does not start until about 11 am. (I am retired so I am allowed to be lazy! )

    In my case, the gift of the timber caused me to get an upgrade to my Gifkins dovetail jig to the size that could handle 19 mm thick materials. Running a few boards through my thicknesser also demonstrated the well documented inadequacies of my brand of 1 HP dusty which clogs at a grate at the inlet to the machine with shavings.

    So the very first deployment of a couple of small pieces of the pine was to make an airtight sealed lid to a steel drum used as a second stage to the dusty and into which drop most of the shavings from the thicknesser. It is not a cyclone stage but it does a half reasonable job in stopping the clogging. When I get motivated, I intend to upgrade this simple receptacle to something like a Thien cyclone separator lid.

    Other early uses of the wood have thus far been in making some long overdue jigs for use in the workshop - mostly simple arrangements like fences and the like where I have dovetailed pieces together to give me simple square edges.

    The most significant of these jigs has been the mortising jig shown below...



    It looks complicated but in fact, the jig is a very simple one in which a plunge router is mounted on an acrylic sled which slides along a surface. At the opposite end to the router, the sled has a rail which fits neatly into a guiding aluminium channel on a sliding panel which is locked to the table top of the jig with adjustable screws in T-track. Adjacent to the aluminium channel is a matching length of T-track track on which stops are mounted to limit the travel of the router sled across the top surface.

    The workpiece is held against the front vertical edge of the jig with a deep throated G clamp (not shown). The two vertical pieces of the dark timber are secured with adjustable screws to T-track and are used simply to quickly position the workpiece prior to securing it with the G clamp.

    Obviously, a critical part of the jig is that that the top surface and the front vertical surface be very accurately at 90º. So, I have dressed the very best, flattest of the pine and made a very accurately squared, dovetailed box as the basic frame of the jig.

    I have then reinforced that box with the darker timber (Kwila) mounted inside at right angles to the pine box. That Kwila also serves as a mounting frame to add outrigger stops if I want to cut mortises a little wider than possible with the acrylic stops mounted as shown at the rear of the jig in the picture. The Kwila frame though gets mostly used as handles with which to carry the jig.

    The jig is set up to be mounted on a Triton Super Jaws stand such that I can use it outside if I want to and can raise the front legs to allow end mortices on long workpieces to be machined on the jig.

    Initial test cuts with the jig, using a spiral up-cut router bit are superb. The jig is quick to set up and easily adjustable in depth, width, length and angle of the mortices cut.

    BTW, the pine is not the only salvaged material used in the jig, The Kwila timber and all of the acrylic materials were obtained from the Reverse Garbage Shop which sells factory off-cuts and scrap which would otherwise end up as landfill.


    So....today I shall be using the jig to build a frame out of pine studs for shelving for my garden tools shed which is out of control at the moment. Some of the more warped and split pine boards will be used as the shelving material in that frame.

    The immediate planned uses of the pine beyond that is for some cupboards that will fit in brickwork recesses in my laundry and downstairs toilet/shower in the garage. I shall dovetail all of the corners on those cupboards as the Gifkins jig allows very quick, accurate, and obviously strong, corner joints.

    So not much to show yet but I first wanted to set up the necessary jigs that would enable me to get into faster production of stuff with the pine.

    Once again, many thanks for your generosity, Mark.



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    err the pieces were put into my shed and haven't moved yet

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    snap, I haven't even unloaded the trailer yet.

    I swear I spend more time cleaning up th shed than working in it. Trying to make space....
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    When you have adult kids who have left home, it becomes difficult to buy them birthday or Christmas presents because you never know what they already have in their own homes. So, many of us end up either giving them shopping vouchers or the universally redeemable shopping voucher, ie cash, for them to pick their own presents.

    The only problem with doing this is that you will often never hear from them how they used the gift and so after a while, gift giving just becomes tantamount to a regular, virtual taxation - and feels like it!

    Accordingly, I can sympathise with Mark in his wondering about what ever happened to the mountain of flood affected timber that he gave away a little while ago. I reckon that those of us who benefited from his generosity should show what we have crafted from the pine so that he does not feel like the parent of adult children after Christmas has passed.


    So here is my next contribution to that purpose.



    As mentioned in an earlier post above, one of the workshop things that I have fashioned from one of the better pieces was a beaut mortising jig. That mortising jig has allowed me to very quickly cut accurate mortises to use with floating tenons in M & T joints. The replicable quality of cut and fit is very good, as seen below.

    Click for large view - Uploaded with Skitch


    So with that new capability, I decided to fix a long term problem in my little garden shed which, as seen below, has been totally out of control in the tidiness department...


    Click for large view - Uploaded with Skitch



    So what I did was to buy some of the very cheap non structural pine studs from Bunnings and make a couple of frames for some shelves and then use some of the pine boards from Mark for the shelving material itself. The shed is now much tidier because, by making 600 mm wide, high shelves , I have been able to get a lot more deployment of all of the available volume within the shed than is possible with the sort of narrow metal shelving units that are generally found at Bunnings et al. ...

    Click for large view - Uploaded with Skitch


    The frames are totally held together with M & T joints using the aforementioned mortising jig with no metal fixings used anywhere. The rails have been rebated to a 19 mm depth and into which the shelving boards are loose laid. As these shelves are fulfilling a virtual industrial purpose in a garden shed, I have not been so concerned about the appearances of the shelves and so I have used the pine boards with the worst water damage for this purpose - ie the most warped of the boards. They don't fit perfectly flat but they are not too bad and totally fit-for-purpose in this application...

    Click for large view - Uploaded with Skitch


    By clamping and nailing or screwing the boards into the rebates, I could have flattened the surfaces a little but the very slight concave bowing of the boards is not an issue in this application. The additional benefit from loose laying the boards is that carrying the frames into the shed without the shelving was a lot easier than it would have been if the shelves had been in place.


    The whole structure and shelves copped a couple of coats of half priced, premium paint from Bunnings' Saturday morning mis-tints table and a very cheap solution to a long term problem in my garden shed has been achieved.


    Once again, many thanks, Mark. I hope that you have been catching some fish at Mud Island.



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    Nice.

    Have you seen the "reject" studs they sell at booval bunnings? $2.75 for 2.4 x 75 x 38 as I recall. I was thinking of something similar but using quick and dirty lap joints rather than nice M&T. Yours are much nicer
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    Quote Originally Posted by damian View Post
    Nice.

    Have you seen the "reject" studs they sell at booval bunnings? $2.75 for 2.4 x 75 x 38 as I recall. I was thinking of something similar but using quick and dirty lap joints rather than nice M&T. Yours are much nicer


    Thanks, Damian. I am certainly pretty happy with the outcome. Indeed with such wide shelves, I managed to shift a whole lot more stuff into that shed, including all of the trailer load of pine boards from Mark's factory, minus the few that I have used thus far, plus my crab-pots and a few other things.

    Yep - those $2.75 "non-structural" 2.4m pine studs are what I have used.

    They will be available in all Bunnings' stores but you really need to get to them just after they have been restocked because there is an awful lot of rubbish amongst them and you really need to go through the pallet load picking out the straighter, better finished pieces.

    I have used those studs a fair bit in my garage workshop for big mobile shelving units and until now have always used halved joints as you have mentioned. They have always been glued and screwed but I do notice quite an improvement in the rigidity of the structures by using M & T joints.

    I have never really had a lot of confidence in making M & T joints in the past because the simple mortising jigs that I have used previously have not really been very successful or not very adjustable. The one that I have just made is awesome in its accuracy, ease of use and speed of use.

    I have copied the basic idea for mine from this Youtube video ... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4r6L4b2PE8]my mortise jig in action part 1 - YouTube[/ame] Mine is a flasher version of the same thing as seen in that video but the core principle is the same. I highly recommend building such a jig if you would like to quickly rout a lot of accurate mortises.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Charleville View Post
    When you have adult kids who have left home, it becomes difficult to buy them birthday or Christmas presents because you never know what they already have in their own homes. So, many of us end up either giving them shopping vouchers or the universally redeemable shopping voucher, ie cash, for them to pick their own presents.

    The only problem with doing this is that you will often never hear from them how they used the gift and so after a while, gift giving just becomes tantamount to a regular, virtual taxation - and feels like it!

    Accordingly, I can sympathise with Mark in his wondering about what ever happened to the mountain of flood affected timber that he gave away a little while ago. I reckon that those of us who benefited from his generosity should show what we have crafted from the pine so that he does not feel like the parent of adult children after Christmas has passed.


    So here is my next contribution to that purpose.



    As mentioned in an earlier post above, one of the workshop things that I have fashioned from one of the better pieces was a beaut mortising jig. That mortising jig has allowed me to very quickly cut accurate mortises to use with floating tenons in M & T joints. The replicable quality of cut and fit is very good, as seen below.

    Click for large view - Uploaded with Skitch


    So with that new capability, I decided to fix a long term problem in my little garden shed which, as seen below, has been totally out of control in the tidiness department...


    Click for large view - Uploaded with Skitch



    So what I did was to buy some of the very cheap non structural pine studs from Bunnings and make a couple of frames for some shelves and then use some of the pine boards from Mark for the shelving material itself. The shed is now much tidier because, by making 600 mm wide, high shelves , I have been able to get a lot more deployment of all of the available volume within the shed than is possible with the sort of narrow metal shelving units that are generally found at Bunnings et al. ...

    Click for large view - Uploaded with Skitch


    The frames are totally held together with M & T joints using the aforementioned mortising jig with no metal fixings used anywhere. The rails have been rebated to a 19 mm depth and into which the shelving boards are loose laid. As these shelves are fulfilling a virtual industrial purpose in a garden shed, I have not been so concerned about the appearances of the shelves and so I have used the pine boards with the worst water damage for this purpose - ie the most warped of the boards. They don't fit perfectly flat but they are not too bad and totally fit-for-purpose in this application...

    Click for large view - Uploaded with Skitch


    By clamping and nailing or screwing the boards into the rebates, I could have flattened the surfaces a little but the very slight concave bowing of the boards is not an issue in this application. The additional benefit from loose laying the boards is that carrying the frames into the shed without the shelving was a lot easier than it would have been if the shelves had been in place.


    The whole structure and shelves copped a couple of coats of half priced, premium paint from Bunnings' Saturday morning mis-tints table and a very cheap solution to a long term problem in my garden shed has been achieved.


    Once again, many thanks, Mark. I hope that you have been catching some fish at Mud Island.



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    Hi Bruce,
    I'm impressed with your before and after shots!

    I've finally moved out of the factory and finished building the shed at home.( I helped and waved my arms around alot of the time) I've gone with a 14mtr long x 12 mtr wide barn style.I thought I'd have more room to spare however I dont think thats going to happen till I've sold alot of what I bought home.
    We went out to mud a while ago and I think we were one of 20 boats! I will try again soon but I'll go in the afternoon next time and fish into the night.

    All the best
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineforyou View Post
    We went out to mud a while ago and I think we were one of 20 boats! I will try again soon but I'll go in the afternoon next time and fish into the night.


    Only 20? I told you that that spot was popular - and for a reason.

    Yup - better in the evening for stack of reasons, including that most of those boats will leave to be home at dinner time.

    I have just hooked up my boat to my car in the driveway and will give it a go myself tomorrow, maybe for the 5 pm low tide.



    I wish that I had a shed like your new one in my back yard.


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    Well I'm not gonna show b4 and after shed shots as my after shot is worse than the b4!

    All that aside, I have done a couple of things as time has permitted.

    Took some photos but still trying to figure how to post them here.

    I'm no expert when it comes to woodworking, but I can manage a few things.

    Firstly I made up a balustrade for the front verandah. The missus has only been bugging me to do it for the last 2 - 3 years. Got a few planks for the palings and ripped them down with the circular saw. Not the best result, so made a quick guide setup and cut them to what I needed. Then tried electric planing them smooth, but found I got better results with the hand plane on a fine cut setting. Did the same rounding off all the corners and sanded them smooth. That saved a couple of hundred bucks in timber and it looks quite OK. Missus is happy.

    Then we (read - she ) decided I would make a coffee table. I said a beer table would be better, but that fell upon deaf ears, so a coffee table it is.

    Made one up about 500 x 1200 x 400 high. Looked OK to me. Needs finishing. Off to Bunnings and bought an all in one stain & varnish in Baltic Pine - gloss. Missus not happy Too bloody orange to match the rest of the lounge furniture. Crap. Off to the local paint shop to get the right colour, but it's too late. Even I can see this is going to be a monumental sanding job.

    Maybe I'll make a new table!

    Made the new top a couple of days ago, but it buckled overnight and it looks like crap now. *$#@!. Now I'll have to leave it set up to straighten out (hopefully). Otherwise I'll have to make another one!

    So now I have invested all this time in it, I am going to take the time to finish it properly. Have bought a tin of stain, sanding sealer and satin varnish.I will now spend time trying to achieve the finish I would be pleased to pay money for.

    Aside from all this, it's fun to get back in touch with real timber again! Seriously, it has a major therapy value to it.

    Will post pics when I figure out how to.

    EDIT: Footnote. Turned the board over the other way for the night and it has straightened itself out perfectly.

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    I knocked out another very quick utilitarian project from the gifted pine yesterday arvo. It is sure nothing special but it will serve me well.


    As old age approaches, the old knees tend to get a bit cranky when bending low and so when I have done gardening - eg weeding or pruning of low bushes - I have used a low plastic stool to sit on. Call me lazy if you like but it is really about the growing intolerance of the knees to crouching.


    Anyway, those little plastic stools are good but they don't like unlevel ground and I have had one crumple underneath me and break when placed sideways on a sharpish slope. Its replacement has not shown any more tolerance of unlevel ground either.


    So yesterday, I made a little wooden stool out of some of the pine. There is nothing interesting or architecturally pretty about the construction. The seat is simply joined to the two sides by dovetails cut utilising a Gifkins jig - as quick as blazes - and a wide board gives lateral strength, being glued into stopped housings in the centre of each side board.


    A couple of pieces of hardwood feet have been routed to fit the sides and glued into place. The edges were rounded with round-over routing bits and Robert is your parent's sibling.


    Just because it takes about two minutes to do on the router table, the hardwood feet have been given a fancy top edge all around.


    Had I wanted to be a bit more particular, I might have put in a handhold and maybe given the centre membrane piece a bit of shape but, although I have a bandsaw, I don't have an oscillating spindle sander with which to quickly clean up any fancy curves and so I was too lazy yesterday arvo to produce anything other than a prosaic, functional object.

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    Anyway, after I give it a bit of paint, I am sure that it will do the job for me on unlevel ground better than its plastic cousin as seen below...


    Click for large view - Uploaded with Skitch



    BTW, the pine required no initial dressing nor thicknessing. There was a slight bow in one piece which meant that I had to clamp it tight to the Gifkins' jig to be able to cut satisfactory dovetails and then to use a bit of muscle and good clamps to fit it all together at glue-up but otherwise the wood required no special pre-treatment. After sanding, it all looks good.






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