Thread: How much?

Using those calculations WB, he will be paying you........ from previous discussions on this board, it costs more to drop than the timber is worth.

But hay, might be interested in some turning blanks to help you recover costs. let us know some costs so I can sneak it past the treasurer

Mate , what happens after you do all the calculations and the client accepts it and you find that the tree is hollow or otherwise useless?

You might want to think about a "do and charge" type contract where the amount the owner gets is determined after all is said and done.

Don't forget to factor in what it would have cost the owner to have tree loppers come in and remove 2 dead trees.

WB,
a mill I spoke to up here said they'd pay up to $70 per cubic metre of log for prime species standing in the paddock. They would drop the trees, cut off extraneous branches and take the logs away - no clean up. I would pay up to $100 - $150 per cubic metre of log (if it was something I really, really wanted) with the tree already felled. In your situation I think I'd put this to the owner:

"We'll drop the tree on spec. If the tree is piped or rotten we'll walk away and you can clean it all up. If we decide we'd like the timber we'll take the logs/mill them up on site and clean up all the branches etc."

Even that's a really good deal for him as the value of the timber is way less than it would cost him to have the trees dropped and removed. Go and talk to him, print out this thread to show him and maybe my "what's it worth" thread.

Mick

Offer them $300 - $400 and you do the rest.

Originally Posted by Wood Borer

The owner of the trees wishes to be paid for the timber.

From whats been said already, "Tell him he's dreamin'!"

I'd love to have a look at the timber, if you get the go ahead, never seen chestnut...

Cheers,

If he has a use for posts or timber for fencing himself why not offer him what he needs milled and ready to go and you'll take the rest of the timber as payment for the felling, millimg and removal.

I'm assuming he wants / needs the trees felled?

HH.

ask the forestry for a guide

He WHAT??? He wants YOU to pay HIM to drop HIS trees? In HIS DREAMS!!

Man I wish it worked that way here I would have just made a nice tidy sum instead of shelling it out

Sorry mate Ive not heard that one before... he pays YOU to drop and mill them not the other way round... you make a deal with him IF you and him agree where he gets half the timber and you take the other half IF you both agree but usually he pays YOU for what you do not you pay him to do it... man thats one cheeky buggar!!

Okay big old Chestnut trees would be cool... so offer him the following and see what he says

You and your mate will come and drop and mill the trees he pays you say 700 and you take the milled timber away he cleans up the mess if he wants you to cleanup as well up the cost to him to say 1300... or offer to do it for half the timber (YOU choose which logs you want) he gets the other half milled and stacked on site and does the cleanup.

But brother thats a first from where Im sitting!

Borer, tell them that you will drop and remove the whole tree for free. It is a lot of work to turn a big standing tree into packs of rough sawn planks.

Its probably worth about the same as blackwood logs

<CENTER>CHESTNUT</CENTER>
BOTANICAL NAME: Castanea spp., including Castanea dentata (American chestnut) and Castanea sativa (European Chestnut) both of the family Fagaceae, the beech family

Other chestnuts of the family Fagaceae include Castanopsis chrysophylla (syn. Chrysolepis chrysophylla) for golden chestnut (aka "giant chinkapin") and both Castanopsis acuminatissima and Castanopsis cuspidata for Philippine or Indian chestnut (aka Berangan, thite, and Chineese chestnut)

NOTE: American chestnut was attacked by a fungus blight in the early 1920's and practically all standing chestnut has been killed by blight. It grew in commercial quantities from New England to northern Georgia. Now, most supplies come from dead timber which is still available because of the tree's natural resistance to decay. Such wood is sound but tends to be filled with wormholes. There are a very limited quantity of living trees in the Appalachian Mountains. American chestnut appears most frequently now as "wormy chestnut" for paneling, trim and picture frames.

COMMON NAMES:

American chestnut is also known as chestnut, chinkapin (a west coast varitey also spelled chinquapin), English chestnut, European chestnut, Spanish chestnut, sweet chestnut

European chestnut is also known sweet chestnut, Spanish chestnut, akta kasanj, edible chestnut

How American chestnut got to be known as European chestnut, when European chestnut is a different subspecies is just another indication of how carelessly common names are used for woods, and note that both subspecies have "sweet chestnut" as a common name. This is the kind of thing that understandably makes botanists and members of the International Wood Collectors Society sneer at common wood names.

"horse" chestnut is not a chestnut at all (see buckeye)

TYPE: hardwood

COLOR: Fresh cut, the wood is blonde to brown with a yellow tint, but aging matures it to a wide variety of reddish brown colors. The sapwood is narrow and almost white.

GRAIN: closed, straight grain (sometimes spiral) with the growth rings made conspicuous by several rows of large, distinct pores at the beginning of each year's growth

TEXTURE: coarse with low luster

PROPERTIES / WORKABILITY: moderately hard and dense, moderately low in strength, moderately low in resistance to shock, and low in stiffness. It seasons well and is easy to work with tools but dents easily. Machines very well but splits easily --- pre-drilling recommended for screws and nails. Turns reasonably well. Glues and finishes satisfactorily. The veneer is very weak. For European chestnut, it is reported that natural acidity tends to cause blue-black stains when in contact with iron.

DURABILITY: very durable; excellent resistance to decay (European chestnut is reportedly somewhat less resistant to decay than American chestnut)

FINISH: does not take a high natural gloss and being coarse, it requires a wax or other finish that acts as a filler as well as a finishing agent

STABILITY: no reports found but my impression from anecdotal information is that it is fairly stable with little movement in service.

BENDING: poor steam bending rating

ODOR: no reports found

SOURCES: American chestnut grew from New England to northern Georgia (see note at top of page) and European chestnut grows in southwest Europe, North Africa, and western Asia

USES: boat building, boxes and crates, cabinetmaking, canes, chests, coffins, crossties, flooring, furniture, handles, paneling, poles and posts, shingles, veneer panels

TREE: American chestnut trees measuring over 10 feet in diameter and over 100 feet tall were common.

WEIGHT: moderately light; averaging about 30 pounds per cubic foot

DRYING: no reports found

AVAILABILITY: readily available from specialty dealers

COST: moderate to fairly expensive due to scarcity --- expect to pay $8.00 and up per board foot


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Excellent information as usual.

I shall use this information in the negotiations.

I haven't a clue how it works over there. but my buddy had a small mill in his barn. He use to do pretty well doing the work and splitting 60/40 with the owner.
A shame he passed, he did some beautiful work, sigh.

Sorry WB, I can't help you with a price, but the look of chestnut is something that might help you decide whether it's worth getting. Check out the chestnut in this box.