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28th October 2021, 08:33 AM #16
Ah, the perils of wood ID from a photograph. As many have said in the past it's a mugs game but we are suckers for a challenge,
I must admit I had a slight advantage. I make a lot of pens so handle a lot of pen sized blanks plus ..... & its also a big plus ..... I have plenty of Mapleman's nice timber including QLD Maple pen blanks. Because I'm always chasing contrasts in my lamination work I also pay quite a bit of attention to "micro grain" and colour.
I have also worked with Nth QLD woods since I was a toddler - but that is in no way any sign of expert wood knowledge - I just know enough to be dangerous.
One dead certain giveaway to differentiate QMP from Tulip Oak will be the smell of fresh cut or planed wood - QMP has a very distinctive smell, which is also pretty consistent across a range of samples - "Turkish Delight" as John_g describes it when milling iirc. Tulip Oak also has a pretty distinctive smell & when you are familiar with both - they are very different. Smell is quite under rated as an ID "tool" - like QLD Walnut, Northern Silver Ash vs other Flindersias etc.
I agree (red / brown) Tulip Oak was a serious consideration imo, however the medullary flecking and the striations in the grain is common enough in QMP. The striations in particular were a distraction as I'm more familiar with it not being so "straight."
Even with the wood sample in hand its still a mugs game most of the time for all but the very "common" woods that each wood worker is familiar with. Australian Red Cedar (RCD) is a prime example where even smell can vary considerably, and density can be up to twice the range from lightest to heaviest samples of wood at the same EMC.
I have a range of samples of RCD from a range of sources from the Windsor Tableland down to Northern NSW (Cedarworks & Dinky Di purchased at Maleny WE) that vary considerably in age, source (old growth - plantation - landscape), colour, grain, density, smell and would confuse most with a reliable ID. Then throw in Pencil Cedar, Saurian Cedar, even "exotics" such as Western Red Cedar etc to confuse the least experienced and the tyro wood worker.
Then there are the "silky oaks" - arrrgh! They all share a pretty similar medullary ray structure, though as IanW says - at quite different "scale." Most wood workers can't even differentiate between Northern or Southern Silky Oak.
Then throw in the many other Australian Proteaceae species - i.e. Grevillea hilliana and all the bloody common names (White Silky Oak; Oak, White Silky; White Yiel Yiel; Silky Oak; Grey Oak; Hill's Silky Oak; OAK, Hill's Silky; Oak, Grey) etc
ONLY 493 potential Proteaceae species formally described in Australia, with many yet to be described I suspect.Mobyturns
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28th October 2021, 11:47 AM #17
Yep, we sing from the same hymnal, MT - I have certainly said that id'ng woods from a pic is a mug's game more than once on these pages! And yes, sometimes it can be a big challenge with it in your hand, particularly when you have a large stash of bits & pieces, poor light, and a memory that's developing a stutter....
Cheers,IW
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