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    Today some members of our club - including selph - went out toa property to collect some timber felled by the heavy winds from
    the recent cyclone. We were told that this was Acacia bidwillii, otherwise known as Corkwood wattle.

    I looked this up and was quite excited as it is not a common tree. However when I spotted the stand I was quite certain that the
    trees had been wrongly identified. The leaves did not have the appearance of A. bidwillii. A. bidwillii has a feathery leaf. These trees
    have short leaves about 30mm long and slightly less narrow, They have the typical appearance of many wattle leaves like Sydney
    golden wattle and blackwood in that they have prominent veins, and are a fairly deep green.

    The trees are native to this area, are about 6-8metres tall, have a dense bark about 10mm plus in thickness and the timber is very light
    in colour (which is pale yellow) with no differentiation between sapwood and heartwood. The timber is dense. Seed pods are about 60mm long
    and 30mm wide with a double row of seeds. They are quite flat pods. These trees are about 100-120 years old according to the property owner.

    I didn't get photos but will try to in the next few days. I will also ask about flowers and find out who identified the trees in the first place.

    Any idea from the brains trust??

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    Hi Artme,

    What are the exact coordinates of where the tree grew?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runge View Post
    Hi Artme,

    What are the exact coordinates of where the tree grew?
    Thought you might be interested!!!

    Shall have to get the theodolite out!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by artme View Post
    Thought you might be interested!!!

    Shall have to get the theodolite out!!
    OK, try these species ...

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    1. Acacia amblygona
    2. Acacia attenuata
    3. Acacia bakeri
    4. Acacia baueri
    5. Acacia brachycarpa
    6. Acacia caroleae
    7. Acacia complanata
    8. Acacia concurrens
    9. Acacia deanei subsp. deanei
    10. Acacia disparrima subsp. disparrima
    11. Acacia falcata
    12. Acacia fasciculifera
    13. Acacia fimbriata
    14. Acacia flavescens
    15. Acacia hubbardiana
    16. Acacia julifera subsp. julifera
    17. Acacia juncifolia
    18. Acacia leiocalyx
    19. Acacia leiocalyx subsp. herveyensis
    20. Acacia leiocalyx subsp. leiocalyx
    21. Acacia leptocarpa
    22. Acacia leptostachya
    23. Acacia longispicata
    24. Acacia macradenia
    25. Acacia maidenii
    26. Acacia melanoxylon
    27. Acacia oshanesii
    28. Acacia penninervis
    29. Acacia perangusta
    30. Acacia quadrilateralis
    31. Acacia suaveolens
    32. Acacia trinervata
    33. Acacia ulicifolia


    Good luck!

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    Thanks Runge but none of those!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by artme View Post
    Thanks Runge but none of those!!

    Well Artme, I took an approximately 20 mile x 20 mile region near your tree and produced that list. You sure ruled out those species fast!

    How about this list!!!

    http://www.worldwidewattle.com/infog...ion=Qld&sect=y

    Good luck ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by artme View Post
    Today some members of our club - including selph - went out toa property to collect some timber felled by the heavy winds from
    the recent cyclone. We were told that this was Acacia bidwillii, otherwise known as Corkwood wattle.

    I looked this up and was quite excited as it is not a common tree. However when I spotted the stand I was quite certain that the
    trees had been wrongly identified. The leaves did not have the appearance of A. bidwillii. A. bidwillii has a feathery leaf. These trees
    have short leaves about 30mm long and slightly less narrow, They have the typical appearance of many wattle leaves like Sydney
    golden wattle and blackwood in that they have prominent veins, and are a fairly deep green.

    The trees are native to this area, are about 6-8metres tall, have a dense bark about 10mm plus in thickness and the timber is very light
    in colour (which is pale yellow) with no differentiation between sapwood and heartwood. The timber is dense. Seed pods are about 60mm long
    and 30mm wide with a double row of seeds. They are quite flat pods. These trees are about 100-120 years old according to the property owner.

    I didn't get photos but will try to in the next few days. I will also ask about flowers and find out who identified the trees in the first place.

    Any idea from the brains trust??
    Hi Artme:

    The Acacia bidwillii is as you describe. Acacia sutherlandii also is a bit like that in the bark and pale wood. Both are central / northern Qld species from my experience ,... both with pale woods (ie no noticeable dark heartood), very prone to green stain fungal attack during drying. Wood is heavy when wet. BUT, as you say, both have ferny leaves not phyllodes (eg like blackwood).

    As you probably know ferny leaves are the true leaves of Acacias and with some (eg blackwood) they change from ferny leaves in juvenle trees to the familar flat leaf (called a phyllode) of mature older trees.

    Here is a link to turning some corkbark wattle wood.. but seems like not a good wood to me.

    http://www.ttit.id.au/treepages/corkwoodwattle.htm

    There is another dryland Acacia with a corkybark like those above, A coriacea now A sericocarpa ( see http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cg...a~sericophylla) BUT this one with a pale sapwood, thick spongy bark and long strap like leaves, and dark heavy heartwood.

    Another one that grows in the Kimberly with a corkybark is Acacia suberosa but it also has ferny leaves.

    So I reckon its a watlle species from your description but which?

    Euge

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    Thanks Euge!!!

    Trees are certainly no a. Sericophyla. I have not had a chanc to get back and take photos as we are off OS next week.

    I figure when I come back I might wait until the trees flower again so that will give an extra pointer.

    The boys slabbed a couple of lengths and stored it on the mezzanine floor at the club. I wasn't about to get a ladder to climb up and have a look!

    I am told the pieces cut nicely and the grain is interesting and pleasant but not spectacular.

    A mystery yet to be solved!

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