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29th November 2004, 04:04 PM #1
question for timber
Hi Guys,
Apology : I normally turn off cookies at home so the worm/spam/hack b@stards dont get me... - been caught twice so far and had to "play windows" to restore my system so I'm anal about security now ... SO... if this is a repeat of a thread I tried to post 5 minutes ago my apologies... in my previous attempt the board timed out before I could post and I THINK I lost the post, therefore this resend.... (with cookies turned on beforehand...) :mad: (note to self - when I achieve nirvana, "Smite" all spammers and hackers!)
Anyway , I am building a workbench, see thread in general woodwork for details. I've got to the stage where I need to buy the timber for the table top. This is my first substantial purchase of timber so I need some guidance so I appreciate your responses should you choose to respond. (ta)
Soooo..... I go to the timber supply joint and it seems that vic ash or tassie oak in select grade and quarter sawn is gunna cost me in the vacinity of $450! bugger me thats expensive !!!! So far the rest of the bench has cost only $100, except the vice (thats another $90 from carbatech)- see the attached doc for the spreadsheet of the number crunching.
Questions :
Is this expensive / normal ?
Should I go elsewhere ? if so where ?
what are the alternatives (bear in mind I want solid timber top) ?
is 32mm thick enough for vices, clamps, bench dogs & bashing on ?
will 32mm compromise me to the "purists" for my "rite of passage" workbench ?
what do you suggest ?
Thanks in advance guys - appreciate your feedback
Cheers,
Ape man.Zed
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29th November 2004, 04:33 PM #2
Zed, thats about $3300 per cubic metre which is about the going rate for select Tas Oak. What about some recycled hardwood from the junk yards.
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29th November 2004, 08:04 PM #3question for timber
You could go to the Craporium and see what Al's got. Only a short drive down the Hume.Photo Gallery
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29th November 2004, 08:15 PM #4Registered
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First off, Grunt, stop sending all the primates to my shop!!
You should see the mess they make!!
Second, Zed, why the f()ck dont you got internet security, like norton which is what I run (? X 4 billion ).
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29th November 2004, 08:29 PM #5SENIOR MEMBER
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You don't need select grade, and you don't need quarter sawn, and you DO need a bench top thicker than 32mm - around 50 is a minimum really.
The idea of a solid wood workbench top is to wind up with a bench that has a flat top that stays flat, and at 32mm it's unlikely to. It's also not thick enough to mount a substantial vise on, or for dog holes to last very long.
I made mine from QLD rose maple at 65mm thick. I used that because it was what I happened to find at the right price that was reasonably easy to work with.
Buy the boards in whatever thickness you find at the right price. Rip it to around 70mm wide, turn it on it's edge and laminate - instant quarter sawn
And you've got next to zero chance of buying enough timber to make a 'real' workbench top for less than a couple to several hundred dollars - though Bill's suggestion of recycled is probably the lowest cost (and most work) option.
As far as where to buy it, there are a bunch of options and it definitely pays to shop around until you find someone who will look after you. Buy rough sawn, and not from hardware stores. Make sure you get something you can hand plane easily - bluegum is an almost certain no-no. Also, don't go too heavy - even in maple my benchtop is VERY heavy, took 2 people to turn it over.
Building a benchtop at 2200 x 900mm is no small job either - terrific thing to achieve, but not easy.
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29th November 2004, 08:36 PM #6SENIOR MEMBER
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Originally Posted by ozwinner
Zed: You don't need to turn off cookies, they have next to nothing to do with keeping you safe or opening you up to problems. They won't affect spamming, and they won't open you up to hackers.
Without a firewall you're totally exposed, and without anti-virus software you're almost certain to get a virus. Get your system up to date and automatically applying new patches, install a firewall, install AVG from http://www.grisoft.com/ - it's free and does a good job.
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29th November 2004, 08:57 PM #7GOLD MEMBER
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This topic has been discussed quite a bit on this board and it seems recycled oregon is probably the most commonly used material for this task. I know it doesnt have the same class as select Tassie oak, but it works well for the utilitarian minded (like me). Also, think of what you can buy with the $400 you save.
You can check Kimbriki for recycled oregan. Be there on the right day and they have tons of the stuff. You have to sort through a lot of rubbish though. I bought enough red mahogany there to make a large bench top for $30 - at 75x50mm - it was raining and I mistook it for red gum.
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29th November 2004, 08:59 PM #8
guys thanks for the tips. seems like I will have to go to Kimbriki and get some recycled and then go to "my workshop: to dress it....
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cheersZed
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29th November 2004, 09:05 PM #9
Going to Firefox will significantly improve your security - IE is targetted by soooo much malware.
Why dont you image your computer (Norton Ghost or similar) this will save you lots of work if you do get hit.
Most of your other precautions are good though. I use a Linux firewall to protect my home network - which also helps a lot.
Now back to wood work.
CheersThe Numbat is a small striped marsupial whose whole diet consists of termites.
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29th November 2004, 09:37 PM #10Novice
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Zed,
Go to a good trade timber yard and ask for a price on your timber in "F17 Appearance Grade". This grade is available from my supplier in Newport, Melbourne. Don't know about Sydney. I have just completed a full large house of joinery in with this grade of timber. Almost as good as select, but much cheaper.
Glenn
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29th November 2004, 11:04 PM #11
My benchtop is a reworked slab from the Williamstown naval dockyard - one of the sleepers from the slipway. Hasn't moved at all!!
Supported by 4X4 redgum stumps from a house that needed restumping - it was highset so had plenty of length
Guess what I'm saying is recycled is the way to go and when you think outside the square you'd be surprised at what you can pick up from the demolition yards
JamiePerhaps it is better to be irresponsible and right, than to be responsible and wrong.
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29th November 2004, 11:22 PM #12Originally Posted by barnsey
CheersSquizzy
"It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" {screamed by maths teacher in Year 8}
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29th November 2004, 11:54 PM #13
IMHO Oregan is a bit soft for a bench top. It dints pretty easy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it'll be structuraly sound, just a bit to soft between the rings.
It can also be a little difficult to work because of it's inconsistancies (sp?) and splintery.
Ben.
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30th November 2004, 10:44 AM #14
yes something pretty think as DF says over 50 mm. Something pretty hard, Jarrah or wondoo or NSW rosewood or QLD maple etc...mulgo would be interesting.
cheeeeers
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30th November 2004, 12:01 PM #15
Originally Posted by barnsey
My benchtop is a reworked slab from the Williamstown naval dockyard - one of the sleepers from the slipway.
Theres a cheap answer,
rush over to Ozwinners and pickup a couple of redgum sleepers while he's still got them.