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  1. #16
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    I'm a permit holder. Sometimes I need it, sometimes I don't and I generally park accordingly (I prefer shade to convenience).

    And sometimes my able-bodied wife and chauffeur uses it to collect me. Readers/forum members without permits or permit-holders in the household who think that everyone displaying a permit should be visibly physically disabled need a reality check. It"s worth pointing out they are Parking Permits not driving permits.

    Sure - some people abuse permits and the permit systems but they're outnumbered by others with no permit at all and no need for one but still choose to occupy a permit space when they nick into the newagent, go to the fish and chip shop or collect cash at the atm.

    I'd miss my permit if I became ineligible but I'd much rather not need it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrome View Post
    My wife says she feels like saying to them... "You obviously want to benefit from my parking space, do you want my medical conditions too?"

    I have a friend who is in the same situation.

    The other week when I took her shopping the 'evil' stares just got to her and she snapped.

    In a calm voice she described her condition with this statement at the end..

    'My condition is terminal, so what's your disability as I'd like to swap'

    There was quite a few people around when this was said and the looks on their faces said it all (stunned mullets). They had no reply to come back with.

    Last sunday another one of her friends took her to the same supermarket and while he was in another aisle getting something she collapsed.

    No less than 10 (previous a$%3holes) came immediately to her assistance.

    So I say let'em have both barrels and ask if they want to swap.

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    I don't know about other regions but most of the shopping centres around here have 30% or more bays allocated to various groups including, Disabled, Parents with Prams, and seniors. The parents with prams I think is a bit over the top. It doesn't take mush to push a pram, these could go to more deserving groups.


    What I think is ridiculous is my cousin was born with one leg due to crop spraying affecting the fetus. Anyway he periodically has to update his permits etc and has to get a medical exam to prove he is still disabled…………………Since when to missing limbs suddenly grow back??? The stupidity of the bureaucracy It annoys the hell out of me if he hasn't got enough to deal with.

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    My wife has a disabled parking permit, one day at the local shopping centre I was pulling into a disabled parking bay and this old fart pulled up behind me and started dancing around like he was about to pee his pants and started raving on that he was older than me and had a permit and he needed me to move so he could have the parking spot. I calmly walked to the back of the car and opened the boot and asked if he would like to help me assemble my wife's wheelchair. I then pulled my self up to my full height looked down on him and pointed out that he had two good legs so he could F&%(#ing walk he sulked off back to his car and moved off it looked like he was trying to hide under the dash. Bystanders applauded me.
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    As a parent, I want my children to walk as far as possible before they go into the shops to be tempted by eye level chocolate, Wendy's donuts and the ubiquitous fast food outlets. However, I'd rather they didn't get flattened by someone else touring the car park looking for a space as close to the doors as possible.

    The parent with pram spaces aren't the same as disabled spaces, they're not so parents don't have to walk as far, they're so parents don't have to try and cross multiple roadways with small children. We actively choose shopping centres with decent kids spaces, where there is a safe path from the car to the shops, and the kids complain if we go to our closest shops (Stafford City) as getting inside is like playing Frogger.

    I will challenge people without kids who park in the kids spaces. I also use the Look on apparently able bodied people parking in wheelie spaces.

    When I'm at the shops with the 6 and / or 7 year olds, we make a point of not parking in the kids space so they can practise gambling their lives with the traffic.
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    I believe people overlook the fact that the pram spaces are made wider for a reason.
    Try to open a rear door wide to get a child out of a child seat or even a pram and you are bound to bang your door into the car parked next to you, especially if they are parked by a driver who doesn't know how to park between the lines and not on them or even halfway across them.
    My only grudge is that the shopping centres seem to provide more pram spaces than they do disabled ones.
    No, I do not have any children but I have observed parents struggle with a normal sized car park.

    No, there is one other grudge
    Most outdoor parks have shade provided except for the special ones.
    It seems the proprietors believe that being parked close to the doors is all we need and do not need shade as well.
    They seem to forget that getting in and out of the special places take longer than it does for able bodied people and standing in the hot sun whilst getting into the car and then also have to get into a boiling hot car is not promotional to your health
    Not all shopping centres have underground car parks.
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    I can understand the need for wider car park spaces for people with prams, what I can't understand is why these wider spaces are invariably allocated right next to the entrance of most shopping centres.

    People with children in prams are usually young and able bodied, why do these spaces have to be closer to the entrance?

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    I have a slightly different take.

    If the car displays a disabled sticker then it's ok to park in the disabled spot. If it doesn't (and they are usually european brands that do this where I frequent) it's not ok to park there.

    As for disability wars, well first come first in IMO...

    Likewise if the owners of a carpark choose to reserve spots for prams, homosexuals, funny hats that's ok too. It's their property we are on (people forget that) and their business. If I don't like a businesses policies I decline to do business with them.

    The boss has no sticker. I'm not sure if she could get one, neither of us has enquired. On the days she is that hard up she stays in bed. We don't park in those spots, ever. We do however use the disabled if the other toilets are full and there is no one apparantly about needing that facility. Not ideal but neither of us hang about so any inconvenienct would be, should be, small.

    And don't talk to me about parking. Here in brisbane they really break me sometimes. I really think sometimes everyone in Brisbane should have their drivers licences revoked and made to prove they can drive over again. I had occasion to drive through Sydney last october a couple of times and it was SO RELAXING after driving in Brisbane all these years.
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    I actually don't want the kids spaces closer to the entrance. What I think they need is a SAFE route from the car to the shops, as determined by someone pushing a trolley loaded up with enough food for a week, and pushing / towing 4 kids aged from 1 to 8. Toombul shopping centre has a well protected route from the door to the lower car park, with the only roadway crossed by a zebra crossing - just about as good as it gets. New Picture (31).jpg
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    Its Saturday night in the local Hungry Jacks car park. The kids have gone in to get a burger. I wait in the car. The spot next to mine is disabled parking, in front of the store entrance - makes sense. Police patrol wagon pulls up in said spot, Three burlies and one girlie get out and head for the door. I wind down the window and say, "Hoy, its disabled, you cant park there." Girlie returns to "Taxi", glares at me and moves to another spot. Meanwhile, a Burly goes to the rear of my car and jots down the number.
    I guess we have disabled coppers or is it disfunctional?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustynail View Post
    Meanwhile, a Burly goes to the rear of my car and jots down the number.
    I guess your on their hit list now………Just because you enforce the law doesn't mean your beyond it. Good on you for reminding them.

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    A few years back here in the US we had a bunch of Division 1 college basketball players steal badges and use them until they got caught. The judge gave them a slap on the wrist. I think a 6'9" 280 pound 20 year old should have been put in the nick and left there until enough blood got to his brain from his feet to engage it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damian View Post
    Here in brisbane they really break me sometimes. I really think sometimes everyone in Brisbane should have their drivers licences revoked and made to prove they can drive over again. I had occasion to drive through Sydney last october a couple of times and it was SO RELAXING after driving in Brisbane all these years.
    Damien, I had a week's holiday in Brisbane last November, coming from three years of living in Melbourne.

    By comparison to Melbourne, Brisbane drivers are absolute angels. I quickly realised that by force of habit from living in Melbourne, I was by far the most aggressive one on the road, and I had to tone it down considerable. Brisbane drivers GIVE you your space on the road, GIVE you right of way when it is yours. In Melbourne you have to assert yourself or they will basically force you off the road.

    If they drive even nicer in Sydney then it has changed a lot since the last time I drove there.

    In Brisbane I was also surprised about the politeness of the pedestrians and commuters. People on trains and busses were giving up their seats for others, even when there was already vacant seats on the vehicle. They would give them up because they were closer to the door so the old lady did not have to walk along half a carriage. This happened a few times in the week. In Melbourne I witness daily people with walking frames and walking sticks and even guide dogs just being ignored and left to stand.

    To me, when it comes to rudeness, Melbourne is the undisputed world capital.

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    No no no. Your missing the point. Half the drivers in Brisbane are from melbourne, as you say looking for someone to kill. The other half are locals who drive around in a coma. The reason they give each other so much room is to avoid even more crashes than we already have here.

    In melbourne you have a mono culture of aggression, here you've got a pack of rabid dogs mixed in with comatose bunnies ...

    My partner keeps getting upset as we drive across town but I've just accepted any trip you make in brisbane where you don't get hit is a win.

    Sydney drivers are all focused on the job at hand. Yeah they expect you to only need an inch front and back to merge, but at least they are predictable and have a basic competence controlling the car.

    I literally see people barely able to stay on the bitumen along straight flat roads in good weather. They just pull up in the middle of an arterial road for no reason, pause for a while then drive off, and don't even get me started on merging or pausing when the lights go green or....100 other stupid things they do.
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    Doug and Damian, I can see neither of you have driven much in Adelaide

    Until you do you don't know the meaning of aggression on the road.

    I lived in Adelaide most of my live and visit there quite a few times a year and every time I come back I am blown away by the behaviour on Adelaide roads, not helped by having 3 lanes at most traffic lights that merge in to 2 straight after the intersection.
    I don't think I have ever seen as many traffic lights in any other city, Adelaide roads are just packed with traffic lights and I am sure that contributes to people's impatience on the roads there.

    Even though I live in Bendigo I visit Melbourne very often and I never experience real aggression on Melbourne roads, if I indicate to change lanes in Melbourne 99% of drivers let me in, in Adelaide that signal is a prompt for someone to block me out.

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