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    Quote Originally Posted by rustynail View Post
    Meanwhile, a Burly goes to the rear of my car and jots down the number.
    I'd have jumped out and written down his number (his personal ID number), and made sure he saw me do it. What he was doing smacks of intimidation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutawintji View Post
    I got back to the station wagon, 5 minutes, fully loaded .. only to find he had placed two tek-screws in the valve stems of the rear tyres .. both were flat .. and he was no where to be seen.
    Without commenting on whether or not it was ok to park there:
    This person's reaction is way way out of proportion, and somewhat self defeating. What if the other disabled spaces suddenly filled up (as they sure can) and your car is now anchored there for quite some time, which will clearly inconvenience (at the very least) the next disabled driver to come along (and possibly 2 or 3 after that, depending upon how long it takes to get the tyres re-inflated.

    I should think a simple note under the windscreen wiper would suffice.

    In this thread there have been numerous mentions of illegal parking being a crime. It is no such thing, and I'm not even sure if it's a misdemeanor. If you contest a parking fine, you do not go to the Criminal Court, you go to a Local Court. To describe it as a crime is, well, it's another out-of-perspective overreaction. For people to get so upset about this, when just discussing it, makes me wonder how they would actually react when they saw the "crime" happening, or worse - when they were a victim of it.

    I can draw a very valid parking analogy, and in no way does it belittle or diminsh the difficulties of being disabled (which are variable, of course, depending on the disability). In my photographer days I mostly had a station wagon which was registered for commercial use. This entitled me to park in loading zones, and these are usually 15 minutes, AIR, and sometimes they are marked with different time limits.

    I would use a loading zone to be able to unload my pile of gear to be taken into the location and then move my car to longer term parking, and reverse the procedure at the end of the day.

    Well, the number of times a non-eligible vehicle was parked in the loading zone was ridiculous, particularly in the City (Sydney). This often caused me to have to lump the gear incredible distances (relative to the weight and bulk of the gear), and over a number of trips.

    Never did I put Tek screws into the tyres, notes under windscreens, or anything else. However, if I happened to spot the person then you can bet that I more than likely had something to say.

    I have no doubt that there were station wagons parked in loading zones that did not have commercial registration (the equivalent of a disabled sticker for the purposes of this discussion). Did I check the rego stickers? Of course not, couldn't be bothered. Did I get uptight about sedans parked in them? Not particularly. Sh_t happens, especially when you live in a big city. There are more important things to get on with.

    I see this situation as almost identical to disabled parking, and have difficulty seeing why people are so uptight - it's bad for your health. Frustrating at the time - yes, absolutely. Worth the aggravation of getting so wound up - I don't think so. Best not to add an apoplexy to the problems.

    Have I parked in disabled spots? Yes. On a couple of occasions when I had a fearsome bad back and could barely walk I had no hesitation - my point here is that regardless of having a formal permit, I had a great need not to walk, and I believe any fair minded person, disabled or not, would be understanding of that (it's a bit like having a marriage certificate or living de-facto - either is valid these days, but only one carries a piece of paper).

    On some other occasions when the were numerous available and my errand was a 2-3 minute jobbie (with no regular spots available within cooee) - the point being that there was no way I was going to inconvenience anyone in the time that it took to grab a loaf of bread from the first shop in the Centre. On no occasion did I return to the car to find all the other spots taken. There was one occasion when a sanctimonious old git actually started pushing me around (physically) - same situation though - other spots available, nobody inconvenienced. Maybe he'd not had his meds, I don't know, but he sure was a hostile character. Life is too short, and full of too many other difficulties to get so upset about nothing at all (in his case, and some others).

    It is a completely different story if an abled bodied person takes the last or second last spot.

    To complete my argument: let's take it to an extreme. It's Good Friday, and I'm up there to post a letter. The nearest space to park is a disabled space. The rest of the carpark is deserted. Perhaps a couple of cars way over yonder for some reason.

    A disabled person shows up and happens to want to post a letter at the same time. Is it reasonable for them to have a go at me? My engine is running, and I'm out of the car for perhaps 15 seconds. Technically illegal (but not criminal ).

    It's a judgement call, with numerous shades of grey.

    Time for a chill-pill.

    My $2 worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    In this thread there have been numerous mentions of illegal parking being a crime. It is no such thing, and I'm not even sure if it's a misdemeanor.....

    ....There was one occasion when a sanctimonious old git actually started pushing me around (physically) - same situation though - other spots available, nobody inconvenienced. Maybe he'd not had his meds, I don't know, but he sure was a hostile character.
    quite true, parking infringements are not criminal offences, but assault is. If you had lost your footing and fell over and hit your head, the "sanctimonious old git" could have been facing serious criminal charges.

    the case would go like this:

    Judge: "you are charged with aggravated assault causing grevious bodily harm. How do you plead?"

    Sanctimonious old git: "Not guilty your honour, he was parked in a disabled car park."

    Judge: "Oh I see, that's different then, Case dismissed."

    or not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    I'd have jumped out and written down his number (his personal ID number), and made sure he saw me do it. What he was doing smacks of intimidation.
    They have their name badges now. I think its in case they forget who they are.
    To be honest it was really a matter of who was intimidating who. Some words were exchanged and we were both less than polite. No blows were thrown, so I am improving. And they did move the car.

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    This has been an interesting thread, as it has bought out quite different points of view on a topic that may, to many, seem mundane. One thing that is lacking in society today is respect. Respect for others and even self respect. This quality deficit seems to have been replaced with self importance, a quality that benefits nobody. Mutual respect is what makes for happy campers. Be it in business, friendship, relationship or marriage, the one underlying quality that forms the bond is mutual respect.
    Respect is not parking in disabled parking.
    Not screwing self tappers into anothers tires.
    Refraining from pushing someone in the chest and bellowing at them.
    Not telling lazy coppers what you think of them, even though they deserved it.

    As my dad used to say,"Go quietly, but carry a big stick."

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    Default Better than a TV show.

    Personally I would advise all non sticker, badge or rubber suction thing which dies under the Aussie sun to advertise in the local media when you next expect to park in a specific disabled parking place.

    When my wife and I were able to actually go anywhere. We created an instant side show whenever we parked a such a zone. My wife has both legs partially amputated and massive lump of metal inserted, and I gave 13 pieces of Titanium literally holding my spine together. To wach us trying to extricate ourselves from our car was better than any TV show, we should have sold tickets. My wife attempting to maneuver both legs from behind a steering wheel, under the steering column and out past the door frame was the drawcard with the backup act of myself trying to fall out the passenger's side door without twisting my torso.

    It took me some time to figure out how it's done and I must admit the attempts must have appeared as part of a Vaudeville show. Thankfully I no longer have to endure the feat a I'm now unable to even get to the car to fall into it. Sadly my wife had to return to have further surgery and her act is now worthy of a ticket price increase owing to the fact it runs for twice the time. Not once has she seen that Knight in Shining armor we learned about as kids.Nobody has offered to carry her bags for her or offer assistance in any way. Opening a door for spritely young ladies as well a elderly un-spritely elderly women was a must in my younger days. Today it's almost classed as a crime to do so. Or is it due to those automatically sometimes opening doors.

    Have you ever walked towards one of those doors and as you get nearer you start to wonder if the darned hing is actually going to open or not? I've often semi stopped just in case it didn't see me, but after that not quite a stop but more a stumble tit decides to open. I'm almost convinced some clown is sitting in a little room somewhere making one of those Candid Camera shows as he flicks a stop/start switch on those doors.

    Please don't do as one of our local chappie in a wheelchair does. If he happens to spot a perfectly able person using a disabled spot (a good name for a 3 legged dog) he lines his wheelchair up with the side of the offending vehicle and revs up,drops the clutch and roars past at 6 kph and disengages the arm rest on his chair and leave a nasty gash down the side of the car. Something I don't personally agree with, but he did tell us he only does it when he knows the person in question doesn't happen to be picking up a disabled person. It does certainly keep others from illegally parking though.social-issues-handicap_zone-handicap_space-disabled_parking-disable_spaces-car_parks-jcon4374_lo.jpg

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    My wife has a disabled sticker and the number of times you see young able bodied people get out of cars with disabilty stickers is unreal,the stickers are supposed to be shown where the rego sticker used to be ,but the number of times you see them on the wrong side or just tossed on the dashboard is adead giveaway that it is not their sticker.If I see a beemer or mercedes parked in a disability spot without a sticker I have a small pointed screwdriver which is used to good effect down the side of their car,this maybe regarded as anti social behaviour but its the price they pay for parking there.
    My wife has great difficulty walking as well as cancer,so I say bug..r them .

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    The thing that I am finding more and more disturbing the longer this thread gets is just how many people feel that it is justified to resort to acts of vandalism and vigilantism against those who park in disabled spots.

    Yes the people who park in these spots are breaking the law, but not as badly as those who take the law into their own hands and damage their property or threaten them.

    They then come on here and claim the moral high ground after vandalising someone else's property.

    Quote Originally Posted by acmegridley View Post
    I have a small pointed screwdriver which is used to good effect down the side of their car,this maybe regarded as anti social behaviour but its the price they pay for parking there.
    I hope that the owners of any luxury cars with scratches down the side in Canning Vale WA take appropriate legal action against you for your confession here. What you are doing is very wrong.

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    I got sent an infringement notice today for parking in a disabled car park at the airport. But I haven't been to the airport. And no one else drives my car. Needless to say I rang and asked for the photo to be checked. Dunno how I prove I wasn't there if its only the word of a parking inspector. $170 tank you very much.
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    Occasionally I use a work car to go and get supplies. Just about every vehicle has a disabled sticker as we are a medical facility. While it would be handy to park closer to the door, I do not use the disabled spaces despite having the sticker.

    Not all disabilities are visible. For a while I dated a female with cerebral palsy, and walked with a type of crutch. She did not have a disabled sticker and I always parked in a normal spot, but as close as I could, to where ever we were going.

    Automated doors are great when they work but a real pain when they do not.

    And some people just do not care about anyone else, it is all about them.

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    tea lady, good morning. I may have missed your post/s but I have not seen you here for a year or more. Great to see you back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmegridley View Post
    My wife has a disabled sticker and the number of times you see young able bodied people get out of cars with disabilty stickers is unreal,the stickers are supposed to be shown where the rego sticker used to be ,but the number of times you see them on the wrong side or just tossed on the dashboard is adead giveaway that it is not their sticker.If I see a beemer or mercedes parked in a disability spot without a sticker I have a small pointed screwdriver which is used to good effect down the side of their car,this maybe regarded as anti social behaviour but its the price they pay for parking there.
    My wife has great difficulty walking as well as cancer,so I say bug..r them .
    Before you do this again just be think about the following situation.

    89 year old MIL drives a Red Subaru Imprezza with a legitimate ACROD sticker which she also does not attach to her vehicle. Here experience is she cannot guarantee that she will find a handicapped bay or she needs to go to places like the air port, so I sometimes drop her off and then pick her up. If the handicapped bay is free I use that as a safe drop point and then help her to where ever she needs to. At places like the airport it can be some time before I return to the car.. This means when I return to the car alone I must look like someone you would stupidly target. I have never been challenged about this but if a scratch appears on my MIL vehicle I will know who to target first up.

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    I've been abused after helping a friend with C.P. get to the shops.
    Plenty of empty disabled bays at the time so no one was inconvenienced.
    Maybe rudeness and arrogance was their disability.


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    BobL, you will have to find me first,though I may not be hard to spot I drive a British racing green Lamborgini,
    The older I get, the less tolerant I am of fools and idiots and brain dead people.

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