Thread: Dustbag and height winder conflict

Hi Tonz

I have both but the sawdust doesn't come spewing out the side, but a lot of sawdust does sit on the top of the top flap of the dust bag. I just clean this up when I want to put the router table on the work centre.

Perhaps you could get some foam strips and put it around the perimeter of the top of the dust bag.

The dust bag wraps around the aluminium extrusions (bearing channels), not the saw chassis. This way the saw chassis travels entirely within the dust bag

Hey Gold Leader

I certainly missed that point I assumed he read the instructions for putting it on.

Barry, your assumption is correct, and it is installed correctly.

Spewing out might be a slight exaggeration, but there is definitely a fine mist coming out that settles on the floor and accumulates.

Despite the bag wrapping around the channels it is still partly supported by the sliding chassis itself and there is still also a gap between channels and the tabletop. Perhaps some more foam around the edges would help to seal it within the bag area.

However, my point is the design of the dustbag is supposed to trap the sawdust coming underneath and drop it into the bottom of the bag. It does this by sealing the area around the saw opening with a foam surround which is held to the tabletop by the sliding chassis and it works fine with the blade at full height.

As soon as the chassis is lowered with the height winder the bag flaps sag and the seal is no longer effective. The result is a lot of sawdust accumulating on the top of the bag flaps (as Barrie also has observed) and in my case some of it escapes out the side. This doesn't occur if the height winder is fully retracted.

In my view the height winder interferes with correct operation of the dustbag which is a shame as you don't really want to have to adjust the blade height on the saw itself as it's even more difficult to reach with the bag on.

Tonz, have look at threads below
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...inder+dust+bag
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...g&pagenumber=2

It (again) seems like a case where a modification is required to get optimal performance.

Cheers
George

Originally posted by Tonz
Who here has both the height winder kit and dustbag installed on their workstation?

The dustbag is designed to fit over and be supported by the saw sliding chassis. This holds the foam surrounding the blade area firmly against the table top. However, when the blade is lowered with the height winder kit the chassis is angled down and no longer fully supports the dustbag.

Anyone else struck this?

Sure have.

I used self adhesive 25mm Velcro to keep the foam seal against the table top.

The foam seal has to be very clean and free from sawdust or the Velcro will not stay attached for too long.

Remove table top.

Height winder needs to be fully up while doing this next part.

Cut 2 long pieces of both the hook and the loop parts of the Velcro.
Put both hook and loop parts together but for now leave the protective backing on the hook parts.
Stick the long loop parts to the long sides of the foam seal.
Cut 2 short pieces of the loop parts only , stick these onto the short sides of the foam seal.
With the long hook parts fitted to the long loop parts, remove the protective backing.
Carefully fit the table top. I had one of the latches out to help with initial alignment.
Now lift off the table top, the hook parts should stay attached to the underside of the top. You might just need to ease the two parts with your fingers to seperate them. Make sure the hook parts are fully stuck to the underside of the table top.
Now cut 4 short pieces of the hook part and stick them to the table top between the two long strips so they align with short strips of the loop parts.
Position the short hook Velcro parts either side of the channel and not over it.

Always fit the table top with the Height winder fully up and the Velcro will reseal.

Genuine Velco has very good adhesive but I don't know about the other brands.

Hope that helps, much easier to do than to explain.

Here is a pic of the bag

here is pic of the table

Thanks for the replies guys....

George, I figured some sort of modification might well be required.

Sprog, I like your idea, simple and effective, I'll give it a go. I see you've sealed off the winder entry too. Another bright idea...

The newer gravity bag is somewhat more effective than the older vacuum style when it's working correctly. It does make swapping to crosscut mode more difficult but then I have the sliding extension table anyway so rarely have to swap it over...

Cheers,
Tony

Originally posted by Tonz

Sprog, I like your idea, simple and effective, I'll give it a go. I see you've sealed off the winder entry too. Another bright idea...

Cheers,
Tony

Just need to seal the red clamp thingy now, still gets a bit of dust from there.

I am going to assume you have installed the green rods that come with the dust bag as per the instructions. They are there to prevent any bag slump when the saw is lowered.

I have not experienced the problems you are having, and have not had to make any after-market adjustment to the dust bag.

What are these green rods? I have the gravity-style dust bucket (several years old) and I don’t have any green rods. Has there been an update?

Cheers

George

Good point. If your dust bag is older than when the height winder came out, there wouldn't have needed to be any.

The bag now comes with pockets to slide (supplied) flat rods (actually, they are curved across their width to resist bending), which are designed to fully support the bag as the height winder is lowered.

It (again) seems like a case where a modification is required to get optimal performance.

Guess Triton already thought of that when they created the height winder.

I bought my dust bag well after the height winder kit came out and my dust bag didn't have the green rods in it, the problem is that there is so much old stock out there with dealers and they don't even know what is going on.

I think Triton shoud issue technical bulletins making distributors aware of these issues.

The same happened when I bought my Router table the dealer had old stock and I got sold the old style fence and quick release mounting plate and was told tough by Triton if the dealers have old stock.