Thread: Improving Triton

Originally Posted by TritonJapan

Call me overly sensitive, but I was a bit concerned about MarkW's issues with the respirator and Barry's comments regarding it failing EU standards.
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Mark, if you havent done so already, ask for the replacement hose and fittings, you will be pleasantly suprised. It is easy to attach, stays on and the helmet and battery/filter pack can move independantly of each other, no matter which way you look.

Steve

Steve
If you think that I would be silly enough to own a Triton respirator then you have rocks in your head. I value my health and therefore own a 3M Dustmaster, which is currently approved under AS/NZS and CE (EN) standards as well DIN and I believe ANSI.

My decision to purchase this very expensive product is based on 20 years of being a specifying engineer for safety equipment for one of Australia's largest energy authorities. When it comes to my safety I generally prefer to purchase the best most suitable product available - this doesnt always mean the most expensive and if I have to wait a little longer for my next tool (toy) purchase then so be it. Excluding the Triton, all the other PAPR respirators on the market have similar prices of $500 or more. You get what you pay for.

What also influenced this decision is the thread in the Triton Group of this BB concerning only the Triton Respirator. From the very start of the thread Triton owners were complaining about lack of flow, air leakage and hose problems. In case you haven't worked it out yet, the failure in the CE test for low air flow is serious. Its the high rate of flow which is necessary to maintain a barrier against the particulate entering into the breathing area. I would suggest you get a cup of coffee and sit down and read this thread. It is very large and you will note the same problems over and over again.
Is Anyone Using the Triton Respirator

BTW Steve are you involved with Triton or are you just a supporter of Triton - your user name might suggest the former. Don't get me wrong I happily support all their other products, just not the respirator.

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Aftrer reviewing a number of your comments and consumimg loads of your Ausie wine you are either my Mate Woody or you work for GMC-please tell me which.
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Mr Burgess,

I can see why you may think I am Steve/TritonJapan as he addressed the comments made about the respirator well and seems to know what he is talking about. He also started a new paragraph for each topic as I do and when addressing someone new he also started a new paragraph. So good on you Steve/TritonJapan but I am sorry Barry I am not Steve/TritonJapan. I don't respond to all posts, but I have been following this thread and choose to respond now when I feel the need. I'll let you know if it is me talking to you Barry.

Sorry for not being Steve/TritonJapan,
Cheers
Woody

Originally Posted by Woodworker101

Sorry for not being Steve/TritonJapan,Woody

I knew it wasn't you. A certain word didn't appear once. Case closed.

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Sorry for not being Steve/TritonJapan,Woody
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I knew it wasn't you. A certain word didn't appear once. Case closed. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

What certain word would that be?

Woody

Originally Posted by Woodworker101

What certain word would that be? Woody

Please don't make me say it

Gumby,

I read your post saying "while at a funeral you found yourself looking at the coffin wondering what type of finish it was....." I find myself looking at woodwork and other types of joinery even in steel(heaven forbid) where ever I go, I look at someones kitchen when I visit their place - always looking for ideas.

Woody

Originally Posted by Me 3 days ago

I noticed that you have made suggestions to Triton, so how about sharing the details with us?

And now

Originally Posted by Woodworker101

I don't respond to all posts, but I have been following this thread and choose to respond now when I feel the need.

I gathered as much. But I wonder why you haven't posted any of the details ? As a Triton demonstrator don't you want to share your ideas with us?


Peter.

Originally Posted by Woodworker101

Gumby,
I read your post saying "while at a funeral you found yourself looking at the coffin wondering what type of finish it was....." I find myself looking at woodwork and other types of joinery even in steel(heaven forbid) where ever I go, I look at someones kitchen when I visit their place - always looking for ideas.Woody

Fine but I think it's a little different when there's a body inside

Originally Posted by Sturdee

I wonder why you haven't posted any of the details ? As a Triton demonstrator don't you want to share your ideas with us?

Arrrggghhhhhh !! You said the word !! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Originally Posted by Woodworker101

Mr Burgess,

So good on you Steve/TritonJapan but I am sorry Barry I am not Steve/TritonJapan.
Woody

Oh so formal but at least I got you to raise your head above the parapet but I was expecting you to come out firing for your beloved triton
Barry
ps sorry Grumby for waking up Woody

Sorry Gumby, my mistake.


BTW why do they call themselves Triton demonstrators when they are really Triton Products salesman ?


Peter.

Originally Posted by Sturdee

Sorry Gumby, my mistake.
BTW why do they call themselves Triton demonstrators when they are really Triton Products salesman ?Peter.

:eek: :eek: He said it again !!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Stop saying the word ! :eek: :eek:

Triton Japan is articulate and obviously well educated.
A bit like myself really

Dear Mark, Barry and fellow contributors,

I apologise for the dely in replying to your posts.

Addressing the "Who am I?", without going into a full biography, I am an Australian with an interest in Triton, Japan and business who was fortuanate enough to be able to combine my passion for all three.

Currently I export / import (Depending on where I am at the time) Triton and other Australian controlled products to Japan. (Used to be Australian made but that is getting harder and harder these days)

See www.jacorp.com.au and www.triton.co.jp.

I am not employed by Triton / GMC / Hills.

I do however have a strong interest in the products and more importantly your comments about them.

Have been interested in Triton since high school in the mid 80's and over a number of years converted a bungalow into a 2 storey house with decent workshop and Japanese bathroom. Did this with a second hand MK3 and a second hand readers digest book that was so old it espoused the virtues of lead pipe and asbestos. (Another important clarification here, I did not do this solely with the MK3, and I had help on some of the things I felt required it, or would benefit from a professional, Slabs, wiring, plumbing and the 2 storey section)

When someone with the knowledge and experience of Mark makes a comment, that is very relevant to the products it is to all of our advantage that concerns are clarified.

Similarly, Barry drew to our attention the issue that the Respirator did not meet the CE standards.

In this case, the respirator passed Australian standards tests, failed CE tests because Triton chose to keep the pre-filter as it keeps the cost of the product down substantially. I think Mark and Barry both bought more expensive units.

Even the most one eyed Triton user would agree that Triton does not aim to be the highest quality product on the market. That, to the best of my knowledge has never been the intention. George's aim seems to have been to achieve a balance between safety, cost, performance, accuracy, versatility, product compatability and compactness such that a novice to intermediate user can enjoy the satisfaction of making something they otherwise would have thought beyond their capability.

In automotive terms, I see Triton as a Toyota corolla. Not flashy, but sufficient to get you further than your bicycle ever would, safely, reliably and economically. Easy to repair etc. Some people may prefer the prestige of a Rolls Royce, the speed of a Ferrari or the power of a Massey Ferguson. Other people have a Toyota to get them around and something else for a specific purpose.

The starting point with most of my customers is "What do you want to make or do?" This has on more than one occassion let to me suggesting that Triton may not be the product most suited to their needs.

By being fair and objective, I hope that the budding Japanese woodworker will be able to achieve what he or she sets out to do, and not be dissappointed that a limitation gets in their way, or worse still they assume that the problem is in their inherrant inability to make things with wood.

The alteria motive for me here is that I have better things to do than to try to appease someone who finds that their expectations will not be met by their purchase. Have a great deal of time for someone who has a legitimate product fault, or is having trouble understanding how to do what it is they are trying to.

Getting back to the respirator.

- It meets Australian standards.
- Has a pre filter designed to prolong the life of the more expensive filter cartridges, that gets clogged if it is not cleaned by occassionaly removing it and tapping it on something hard. (As outlined in the manual)
- Had problems with the hose it initially came with, which seem to have been well rectified, and upgrade kits are free to all who have the old type.
- Under CE testing methodoligy it is inferior to far more expensive units.
- Is priced at a level that is within the reach of the hobbyist who is concerned about their health.
- Is Orange

Sounds suspiciously like a Triton designed product to me.

Oh! Thanks for your kind comments.

Steve

Sturdee
BTW why do they call themselves Triton demonstrators when they are really Triton Products salesman ?

We don't sell the products, rather we show people how to use them. I recommend to people to go to different deoms by different demonstrators as each demonstrator shows different techniques on how to use the equipment. I have my favourite things to show, ie. kerfing(there are 2 formulas for kerfing that I share at demos), finger jointing, edge planing on the router table and the workcentre using the Planer Kit and rebates using the Router Table Fence and Micro-Adjuster just to name a few.

Sturdee
I gathered as much. But I wonder why you haven't posted any of the details ? As a Triton demonstrator don't you want to share your ideas with us?

Sure I want to share my thoughts with those that need help but when someone else has given the same advice I would be giving why bother, especially when someone here said a short while ago "yeah, someone already said that so why the echo?"

Gumby
Arrrggghhhhhh !! You said the word !!

Did I say IT? Where?

Woody