Thread: Okay! Okay!!! I'll get a dust extractor!

Nathan,

Many people will tell you that their dusty makes more noise than the equipment that generates the dust.

As for Cyclones, Track down Stu in Tokyo who contributes to this forum. His cyclone is designed for dust, not a modified agricultural design and the dust collection is near perfect.

As with everything, your decision will be based on price, performance, size, noise and mobility. Ducted dust can make life easy, but will take a fair bit of fun to put together.

Would strongly recommend you try Sturdee's cyclone modification first as you may save yourself a fair bit. Even if you do buy a dusty later on, guaranteed you will still find yourself using the Sturdee version as well.

Steve

Originally Posted by TritonJapan

Would strongly recommend you try Sturdee's cyclone modification first as you may save yourself a fair bit. Even if you do buy a dusty later on, guaranteed you will still find yourself using the Sturdee version as well.

thats true steve, as we speak im doing the mental work involved in relocating my workshop to make best use of the new dusty. mind you the new dusty became a necessity as a result of other purchases, jointer andthicknesser/planer hehehehheheheheh

but like you said, even as im designing for the new, i constantly find myself including the simple vacuum and sturdee buckets into the workshop design. soime equipment will have the vacuum system either above or below the table and the dusty on the other side. build them now you will still need them later

Thanks alot Steve. So you would say that a 1200W vacuum would be sufficient enough for the router table and rip saw if it was to be used with the Triton cyclone mod?

If so, that would be good, I could still then use the vacuum on an orbital sander, and also make a handy vacuum sanding box. Oh, and the money saved would allow me to buy a sander

Thanks again,
Nathan.

Originally Posted by I_wanna_Shed

Thanks alot Steve. So you would say that a 1200W vacuum would be sufficient enough for the router table and rip saw if it was to be used with the Triton cyclone mod?

If so, that would be good, I could still then use the vacuum on an orbital sander, and also make a handy vacuum sanding box. Oh, and the money saved would allow me to buy a sander

Thanks again,
Nathan.

yup. Been using one recently (a GMC one) and it is plenty sufficient. I do have a 4" setup in the shed, but have decided to go back to using the as-designed dust extraction for the Triton gear (with a cyclone mod still), and keep the 4" for the bandsaw, thicknesser, and for my dust bag mod



However, if you don't get one for a while, the as-designed collection with the Sturdee mod will be plenty.

BTW, 4" systems work on low pressure, high volume. 1" (approx) systems work on high pressure, low volume. Reducing 4" to 1" gives #### all suction.

Doug I built all my 4" connections before I installed the 3HP dusty which I am slowing building the bits similar to Stev. I have also built a baffle to reduce the noice from the impellor. My metal work is not great so I am taking my time while a get better.

Originally Posted by I_wanna_Shed

So you would say that a 1200W vacuum would be sufficient enough for the router table and rip saw if it was to be used with the Triton cyclone mod?

Yes.

Main reasons are that the dust collection on the Triton router table does not give the chips much room to escape, depending on the task you are doing. Trenching is the main difficulty as the overhead dust extraction is of no use. Below table dust extraction does some good.

Edging etc, depending on the bit you use is near perfect.

On the table saw, you will need the dust bag below the table. Above table, on normal ripping, you will catch most dust. If you are doing planing cuts, make up a simple jig that sits beside the overhead guard to block the air flow on the offcut side.

I find the biggest cause of escaping sawdust on the tablesaw is when Kerfing. This is because the chips on exit of the tail edge of the timber are propelled toward the user and not toward the dust port. To limit this, use a backing piece of timber that is wider than half the exposed length of your blade. This stops the chips from escaping forward.

The reason that the Sturdee mod is so great, or to be fair that cyclone dust extraction is so great it that there are no filters to get blocked. This gives you maximum suction right up to the last, makes life much easier on your vaccuum and is heaps easier to clean than a clogged filter. Any thing that does escape the cyclone will be caught in your vaccuum's bag, if you use one. If your cyclone is good enough and you check it regularly, you can remove the vaccuum filter bag to improve your air flow a tad more. (Insert disclaimer here!)

The large volume Dusty will be a worthy investment once you get into jointers and thicknessers as these babies throw out copius volumes of material.

Steve

Originally Posted by BarryBurgess

Doug I built all my 4" connections before I installed the 3HP dusty which I am slowing building the bits similar to Stev. I have also built a baffle to reduce the noice from the impellor. My metal work is not great so I am taking my time while a get better.

thanks for the pics Barry. at this stage tho, I plan to use the above table collection on the blade guard with the vacuum and cyclone bucket still. same deal for anywhere the triton router is. the dustbag and possibly above the router table and of course the under the table port of the woodrat will be going 4 inch. jointer and planer/thicknesser will be 4 inch from the start of course. i will probably see what i can set up for trenching on the router table with the 4 inch system too. sanders will remain on the small system. thats the theory at the moment, lets see how much it changes as i put it all into practice.

Doug I started out going your route with some attached to the mini cyclone and some to the 4" but in the end I made so mods to allow the triton hose to attach to the 4" as it becomes to much trouble to move the vacuum /cyclone about,although I have it on casters. I will go into the workshop later and send you some pictures
Barry

Some pictures