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    Quote Originally Posted by D.W. View Post
    John's comment got me thinking the same thing, though I did consider it when I asked that question - are thistles something that's really destroyed by 2-4D? what we seem to have around here is plants that look like elephant ears, clover that's hearty against 2-4D and creeping charlie or ground ivy. The ground ivy is persistent and has to be sprayed - every stolon can become a mother plant and you can't get rid of it - and if the neighbor has it, it can cross the lawn to the other neighbor's in a year.

    but that's probably the answer - we're left mostly with stuff that's resistant to 2-4D, and each time it's not killed by it, it gets even better at it.

    I mix a chemical that's brand named Triclopyr with 2-4D here to kill clover and ground ivy. The two are synergistic and I don't have to use that much.
    The biggest thing is making sure you kill off the entire present generation so you don't breed resistance. This means hitting them with a correctly strong mix. The worst possible solution is what far too many people do... Mix too weak or don't stir, don't apply enough, and only the weakest weeds die, and then make another batch that's slightly stronger, lather, rinse, repeat. You've just used natural selection to create your own herbicide resistant strain.

    Hit them hard, kill them off, and then the next generation only comes in via seeds carried by birds or the neighbor's mower or whatever isn't resistant.

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    I've always followed that. if you want to go light, go light on fertilizer, but don't spare the rod with herbicides and pesticides if you've got to use them. it's a public disservice beyond just our own yards to do that.

    But my relatives were farmers. Unfortunately, my grandfather did like to follow "only as much fert as you can get on the fields without taking an operating loan" and while it's great to be debt free, it's not that great if it causes you to live land poor!

    The biggest challenge here in killing weeds is using something like triclopyr and then waiting if it rains a day later or 36 hours later "did it get enough or didn't it?"

    there's going to be resistance sooner or later, but doing as much as possible to push it into the future is better.

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