Thread: bench dogs idea

The peg trees are just 2 ruffly trued pieces of hardwood with a series of 7/8" holes positioned so that you can raise the height every inch or so.....and for each tree there's a 7/8" bolt shaft.....and ontop of the shafts I sit a trued 2 metre long odd piece of 2x4 which is essentially the shelf from which your work sits.....
see photos 5 and 6

At the other end I've made a U type slieve (just 3 pieces screwed together) for a sliding fit over the vise face......it sits about 10 mill higher than the benchtop so it can be used as a normal dog as well....but what makes it good is that its entirely removeable....and I took advantage of that fact that it has 2 sides by lining one side with carpet(when your worried about scratching a final finish) and the other side with sandpaper for normal
use.......and because it slides this means you can position it so that it will never protrude beyond your work regardless of what your clamping..<- which is important often I find when using any tool that has a fence....like a moulding plane,,,,,or a power router with a fence .....that fence won't foul on any clamping arrangement.......To ensure this 'sliding dog' doesn't slide when you bind, on the other side of the vise is a racking type tree that is mean't to reduce raking of the vise (I've just got a single screw front vise in a end vise position)......However its turned out that racking is benificial
because it induces a bind that tends to help draw your work into the side of the bench...
see photos 7-9

Just noticed how much I've written,,,,,sorry if I've bored you so better
go,,,,,,appreciate any feedback, advice, etc...somebody's probably done it before...<- like to hear about that.........seeya

[QUOTE=apricotripper]I finally succumbed to buying the TSC10HB ......and I think its crap......what a waste of money.........I mean , now I'm firmly convinced that all its raves on this forum are the work of just one decietful individual with a brother in sales or something with the single motive of upping sales........I mean its just so obvious now..........and I want everyone to know the truth before your conned as well............I mean, the bloody thing was made in russia in the 1940's for heavons sake....I definetly should have known better.


Are you really looking for a serious response???? My advice is to feed them puppies 1080, its gonna educate em real good!

Are you really looking for a serious response????


from you ......clearly not ....whos next.....

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Originally Posted by NewLou

Trippin on Apricots huh!!!!<o></o>

..................................I'm not sure what your doin in some a dose pic's tripper!!! Pehaps a Sargent Peppers Avatar to go along with your Forum name<o>
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..................Make sure you give us a post when you get back from what ever trip your presently on:eek:<o>:eek::eek:

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Oh, come on fella's.......I'm being serious now,,,,trully I am,,,,,,arn't you going to coment on my ideas ????? please, please.....I won't have any more apricots, I promise.....

oh,,,,your not all that sensitive are ya.....must be someone out there who's done something like this........took me forever uploading these pictures with this ancient computer of mine.....????

You've got a couple of good ideas there, personally when I get cracking on making that bench, I think I will use square slots as I believe its easier to minimise movement in the dogs, but your system seems to work well.

I have made similar insert to the one you made for the vice for my workmate and it works well for holding pieces vertically, handy for dovetails.

regards

Marios

Apricotripper, thanks for this post.
I am in the process of building a new bench and the whole dog thing is giving me a headache. All of the traditional benches use square dogs that are built in to the bench during construction. This is great if you are sure what the work the bench will do in its life time. I am tending towards making the bench without any dogs and then drill (round) dogs in the places where they are needed.

So some good dogs for round holes will be needed.

Another thing that I was thinking of doing was leaving the tool well out and building a small tool tray/box that hangs off the side of the bench secured with dogs. This can be moved so that it is close but not in the way. The design would be very much like the "advanced" dog in your picture.

Originally Posted by apricotripper

what makes them work is that the peg holes in the rectangle timber is drilled a few degrees off square ..

If only this would work with everything I build !

Albert

Originally Posted by routermaniac

You've got a couple of good ideas there, personally when I get cracking on making that bench, I think I will use square slots as I believe its easier to minimise movement in the dogs, but your system seems to work well.

I have made similar insert to the one you made for the vice for my workmate and it works well for holding pieces vertically, handy for dovetails.

regards

Marios

Marios.......yeh I like the old traditional type square dogs as well......and maybe one day before I kick the bucket I will have the chance to build another workbench in this traditional style.....so in the mean time I guess I'll have to focus on function and convience .

The round dogs still work fine.....I'm not getting any slippage....so thats all that matters to me....and there is the bonus that their free, and kind on my tools.....I think the important thing is when making these wooden dogs is make sure you place your peg as close as you dare to the edge that your work butts up to ...to minimise that levering effect....that those wonder dogs seem to be prone to do....

Knucklehead (great name mate !...I'm serious if you give it up I'll take it)...........you'll be probably wanting to know a good way to drill your holes in your workbench I'm guessing ...... there's probably a better way of doing it(there always is) but this is what I did and it worked.......-> buy that 'tilting drill guide' from carpatec .p111 of guide ...about $25....piece of crap most would call it, and I must admit I wasn't sure about it myself....but it will hold your portable power drill square enough to your table to get a square enough result.....just ensure before every drill you clamp the base down (use a firm clamp like a C clamp I reakon...not a quick realease thing).....if you don't clamp it down you might wander the drilling without even noticing....just security....

And with this same plastic crap jig you can also drill the holes in these wooden dogs,,,,if you decide to take this approach,,,,,you can change the angle a few degrees to get that peg in off square.....how many degrees ? buggered if I know .....the higher the angle the more it will resist lifting under pressure....but you don't want it too high......that dog in first picture I made works, get an idea there,,,,,might have to experiment yourself.

And as for dowel, harder the better,,,,I'd go for 19mm(pretty much spot on 3/4")....might as well stay with 3/4" since its the standard....I'd use just a regular flat bit, with the wings notched with a triangular file to give a cleaner finish......its nice to get a good tight sliding fit of dowel into dog hole , so I'd make plenty of tests first, might have to grind wings (equally) of flat bit slowly until you get that nice fit....ie. grind a little off both sides of flat bit, put back in your new cheapie drill press, drill hole, push dowel in, still bit loose ?,,,grind a bit more off wings, drill another hole etc until, you end up with good fit......then you'll have a spade bit that is purpose built for just one thing....drill dog holes......so mark on it in niko pen 'friggin dog holes' and you'll always know which bit to grab next time you want to drill a dog hole.......I'm raving, and probably risking telling you how to suck eggs.....so good luck mate .......seeya

Mate nice work boots... genuine vinyl are they!

Just had to say that!
Your dogs are well thought out, one day I'll use your idea's on them(build bench first)

Originally Posted by Harry72

Mate nice work boots... genuine vinyl are they!

Just had to say that!
Your dogs are well thought out, one day I'll use your idea's on them(build bench first)

What !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Jeeeezus, what you impleying,, that I'm cheap !!!!! :mad: :mad:

I want you to know they are true blue bloodstones mate,,, I buy nothing but the best for me and my workshop, I mean isn't it obvious ???????

Thanks for your comments on the dogs, pretty cool aye ? best in town.....hell, I even got the pound man jellous
and I want the whole world to now it !!! damit !!!.....but (sniff sniff), I might have put my bloodstone in it earlier, I think I might be on a few ignore lists,,,,well,,,actually a LOT of ignore lists

SERIOUSLY I THINK It is a great idea mate.

You have a serious looking workbench there. It looks very solid and well used. What about more picture of your workshop?

Originally Posted by apricotripper

I might have put my bloodstone in it earlier, I think I might be on a few ignore lists,,,,well,,,actually a LOT of ignore lists

Ahh well it's lonely at the top!!!

Now if you had pics of you in those cute little bunny slippers that are all the rage in Kyogle, you'd end up on "buddy lists" all over town!

Cheers,

P