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Thread: Berg Chisel
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13th February 2007, 06:09 PM #16
You're right there mate..
Ive got a set of plastic handled chisels (Marples)
My Dad bought them for me when I was sixteen.
He and I have given them a fair belting since then, and they are still fine...and they hold an edge quite well.
Altough not as appealing as others, they have served me well.
Cheers
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13th February 2007, 09:29 PM #17
Oh NO. they said the word the word that true woodies can not hear.... arrrgh.
Any thing with sharp teeth eats meat.
Most powertools have sharp teeth.
People are made of meat.
Abrasives can be just as dangerous as a blade.....and 10 times more painfull.
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14th February 2007, 01:17 AM #18
Oh BTW there were the red handles bergs( but we wont talk about those either)
hey soundman why are red handled bergs forbiden talk are they the same grade metal or a cheaper version brought out to compete against the yellow handled stanleys?
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14th February 2007, 05:12 PM #19
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14th February 2007, 05:36 PM #20
Groggy I think he was talking about 'plastic' handles. weren't you soundman ?
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14th February 2007, 05:41 PM #21
Mine are the red handled plastic Bergs, the metal is great!
I think something people forget at times is that the plastic handles are not as big an issue nowadays as they may have once been. If I were using chisels for longer than 1/2 hour at a stretch I'd probably wrap it in a cloth or think of turning a handle. I can't recall the last time I was particularly bothered by holding a 'plastic' chisel handle.
Plastic plane handles are another matter, I don't like them at all.
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14th February 2007, 05:46 PM #22
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14th February 2007, 06:46 PM #23
Before I deepen the confusion I've caused, let me say this, mine are technically Bahco chisels; though made in the same Berg factory.
E.A. Berg was bought out by Bahco in 1959 (a great year that!). The Bahcos have the shark on the handle too. Since they come from the same factory with the same lineage I call them 'Bergs', but that is just a bit pretentious perhaps .
Bahco was bought out in 1991 by Sandvik AB who were resident in the same city (Sandviken). Later, in 1999, Sandvik divested themselves of Saws and Tools (which included Bahco Brand), which was purchased by Snap-On from Kenosha, Washington. The good news for chisel fiends is that each company that owned the Berg line kept a reasonably high focus on quality.
So, why do I call them 'Bergs' rather than "Bahcos"? Well, the Bahco products are marked with their fish and hook symbol, however, the red plastic handled chisels still retain the E.A . Berg shark trademark on the handle.
(As an aside, the fish and hook was a sign of good steel many years ago. Since a fish hook should be strong but not brittle, therefore they used that as their trademark)Last edited by Groggy; 14th February 2007 at 06:54 PM. Reason: Add references.
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14th February 2007, 10:11 PM #24
Groggy,
thanks for the history lesson. Just wondering if you could tell us what's happened WRT Sandvik/Bahco now as most/all Sandvik tools are now bearing the Bahco brand
Mick"If you need a machine today and don't buy it,
tomorrow you will have paid for it and not have it."
- Henry Ford 1938
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14th February 2007, 10:24 PM #25
G'day Mick. I didn't mean to sound like a know-it-all, I don't know a fraction of what Derek and a few others do. Every now and again something piques my interest and I'll go off and research it, which is what I did here.
Sandvik still exists but have sold off their "Saws and Tools" Division to Snap-On. What you recognise as Sandvik tools are in fact Snap-Ons. But since Sandvik still exist and keep their name, Snap-On is using the Bahco trade name to sell the tools. At least, that's as close as I can figure it!
Short version:
Bahco buy Berg - 1959
Sandvik buy Bahco and sell under Bahco's name. - 1991
Snap-On buy the Saw and Tools division of Sandvik (including Bahco name) - 1999
Snap-On sell Sandvik and Bahco tools as Bahco. - present
Confused? Me too.
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14th February 2007, 11:00 PM #26
There is nothing wrong with the red handled berg chisels apart from the fact that the handles are made of the material the name of which we should not speak or hear.
On the subject of the material which name I shall not speak..... for day to day use or ocasional use the unspoken material is perfectly servicable...... but you can not be taken seriously in serious woodworking circles If you speak about handles not hand crafted from the blessed timber.
On another subject
there is another brand the name of which escapes me that is identical to berg and comes out of the same factory.
Same red handles same steel same place just a different name on them.... same shark trademark too. Thy often sell for less too.
I'm not the fanatical type that immediately replaces every non timber handle with a hand crafted work of art but I have been known to do it from time to time.
cheersAny thing with sharp teeth eats meat.
Most powertools have sharp teeth.
People are made of meat.
Abrasives can be just as dangerous as a blade.....and 10 times more painfull.
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15th February 2007, 12:17 AM #27New Member
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Bahco will move the production of chisels from Eskilstuna (Sweden) to Spain during this year. We swedish woodworkers are upset and me personally take this as the end of Anton Bergs legacy.
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15th February 2007, 08:51 AM #28
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22nd September 2009, 07:21 AM #29New Member
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Love my BERGs
Hoping this thread is still active and being read. I stumbled across this while surfing the net.... OK I inherited from Granda a set of Red Plastic Handled Bergs all pre 1959 They work Great hold an edge and are damn fine hard steel. He used them daily as Master Carpenter doing rough framing as well as fine finish work, cabinetry etc.. I also do fine finish furniture grade work as well as rough framing too and have used them quite regularly on kwila wood (fam owns kwila biz in PNG) Using waterstones (both Japanese and the American types) my Bergs all hold a fine edge and take a serious WHOMPING with a 28 oz. framing hammer as well as fine push work for thin shavings too without harm. The metal ring on the top of the handles are all missing (yeah for a guy who lived by his tools Granda could be a lil rough and carelss re looks but hand sharpend all hand saws and chisels well into his 80s) I gather there is quite a market for these fine Swedish made chisels now if I can only get back the two mising ones from the set, (damn brother-in-law grrrrrr).
pax Callum
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