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  1. #1
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    Default Bessey Duoklamp 45-8 Slipping

    I have two of these clamps and being Bessey, I didn't think they would misbehave. One works perfectly both in clamp and spreading mode but the other one slips in spread mode but works perfectly in clamp mode. I must mention at this stage that the structural bar on these clamps is smooth and devoid of the edge serrations seen on F-Clamps which can often be tickled up if those clamps slip.

    I have taken the recalcitrant clamp apart and note the internal workings look to be quite clever and dependent on springs and steel clutch plates with a rectangular cutout that fits around the bar and should grip onto it when at an angle. Much like the metal clutch plates at the dumb end of a pipe clamp. There are two clutch plates separated by springs which hold the plates apart and alter the angle to the bar depending on whether the clamp is in clamp or spread mode. When I disassembled the clutch plates, I noted the internal surface of the cutout (the part that contacts the edge of the bar) showed some wear and I presumed it was this that allowed it to slip and not grip on a sharp edge. I further presumed that squaring that surface of with some gentle filing would solve the issue. As a final reassurance, when reassembling, I swapped the orientation of the 'top' and the 'bottom' plates thinking that would be the clincher of my fix. It was not!

    In addition, I've made dimensional adjustments (filing) of the potentially interfering edges of the release mechanism that when engaged, allows the sliding jaw to slide in either direction but also to no avail.

    I have dismantled the functioning clamp as well and visually compared the innards but note no discernible difference between the good and the bad.

    in situ.jpg

    Mechanism removed.jpg

    There must be a fix but ...

    Brian

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    Brian, can I ask how old, could they be covered by warranty?

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    Well, of course, I no longer have the receipt But I have had them for a few years and they haven't had a lot of use and when used, I've appreciated that they are not terribly robust so haven't tended to crank them up too much. Also, the spreading function is generally used much less often than the clamping one.

    I've contacted Carbatec where I bought them and they have said they will discuss the issue with Bessey Au and I have emailed Bessey in Germany. Awaiting replies but was hoping for somebody on the forum to have solved the problem already.

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    I can’t vouch for the Bessey units but having been with Irwin for 25 years before their sale to Stanley I know that if you reverse the clutch plates you can sometimes extend the clamps life if they have started to slip.
    In some cases I have seen slippage start to occur where clamps are used to clamp materials of the same thickness all the time.
    This however tended to happen more with f type clamps where the serrations one the bar wear.

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    As far as I'm aware, the clutch plates in the Irwins and Besseys are different. I think the Irwins may have two clutch plates together, whereas the Besseys have two plates separated by a spring arrangement to allow for either clamp or separation operaction. In any case, I did try not only changing one plate for the other but also turning them upside down. What I haven't tried yet is to try the whole plate assembly block upside down.

    Not sure this all makes sense in general but it will to those who may have needed to operate on their Bessey DuoKlamps. Perhaps I should add some images.

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    Awaiting responses from Carbatec, Bessey Germany and the Australian Bessey agent (Hordern & Co). In the meantime, I will submit these images that might help clarify the issue:

    clutch plate assembly.jpg
    This is what the clutch plate assembly looks like. The spacer below the top plate is, as far as I can work out, simply there to locate the springs. The plates themselves are twofold - one for the clamping operation and one for the separation direction operation.

    Filed contact surface.jpg
    The shiny bit on this (blurred) image is where I have filed the contact surface (between the clutch plate and the bar) because it was showing some wear and I assumed because the wear wasn't even, the plate could not contact the bar appropriately. This assumption may well have been wrong and my filing has made it worse! In any case, I'll see if I can figure out a way to fit a shim between the clutch plate contact surface and the bar.

    I can't believe this entire system looks so simple and yet it's causing me so much frustration!

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    Well, I received a response from the Product Manager at Bessey, Germany who provided some helpful advice regarding ensuring the bar was clean and free from oils, greases and silicone. He further advised that if I had taken care of those issues with no improvement in function I should then contact the Quality Manager whose name and email he attached.

    In the meantime, I had had a final lunge at the clamping clutches and, with some difficulty, was able to insert some shims (brass) between the clutch contact surface and the bar and what do you know? Voila! The clamp works perfectly

    I informed the Quality Manager of this progress but nevertheless he has arranged for their sales department to send me a new clamp free of all charges! Now that's service and a credit to the Bessey Company, don't you think?

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    Dear Dovetail, we know how important the tools are to you and to all woodworking people. We know you treat the tools well and with respect and it is an honour to see such enthusiastic people working with our clamps. It was the least we could do for you.
    Try out the KRE30-2K as well in the package. They are my favourit in doing the carpentry.

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    Wow great result.

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk

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