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    No, I meant a ratcheted die holder (wrench) - like the thing you started with. I know my old pot had a pipe threader with a ratchet head, & I'm sure I've seen ratchet heads on regular 1 1/2" die wrenches.

    Here's one, but it's a bit different from the ones I'm thinking of - this one takes dies & taps as well.
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    And when you start looking, they're all over the place!
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    Ian,
    I don't think I've ever seen a ratcheting die holder before, and they've been round for years. Well, you never stop learning stuff.
    Cheers,
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    Hi all,
    On the Hand Tools- Unpowered forum there is a conversation about McPhersons catalogues which has also roped in Melhuish's catalogues. Rather than clog that conversation I thought I'd bring this thread back to life.
    In the above mentioned thread Bushmiller posted a page from a c 1921 Melhuish cat' showing a Millers Falls No192 drill brace shown below.
    https://www.woodworkforums.com/attac...8&d=1610847673

    Here is the same tool in the 1915 Millers Falls catalogue.
    MF 192 001.jpg
    What makes this drill brace different, from others that MF made, is that the crank gear can be attached on either of three sides to improve accessibility when using it as a breast drill in a tricky situation. But, there is a difference between the two pieces of art work, the side handle is missing from the one in Melhuish's example.
    Sadly, I don't have one of this model in my collection to reference. According to the information on Oldtoolheaven.com this model was made from 1912 to 1922 so perhaps by the time it was listed in Melhuish's 1921 catalogue they had realised the side handle was just a nuisance that defeated the versatility of the tool and gave it the flick.
    The Tool Exchange had one listed a while ago for a fairly high price, when I looked at it I thought the side handle was missing, perhaps it wasn't, it just may have been the later model. I made an offer way lower than the asking price, was shown the door, but it's gone now so it must have sold eventually

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    Further to the McPherson thread. When viewing Old Workshop's (Martin) last photo I made a comment that the ratchet selector on the drill brace is missing.
    IMG_20210117_172606_1[2812].jpg MF 182 001.jpg MF 182 002.jpg MF 182 003.jpg

    My example of this Millers Falls No 182 does have the ring selector but when it's in drill mode the tapered end on the gear attachment screw holds both pawls out of engagement. When used as a brace the ring selector works as usual to disengage one or the other pawl.
    According to Oldtoolheaven.com this model drill brace finished in 1901 when the method of attaching the drive gear was changed to a screw passing through the centre of the wheel. The ratchet selector had to change with this modification so became two metal clips which hook on and hold either or both pawls out of engagement. Later model shown below.
    MF 182 004.jpg MF 182 005.jpg MF 182 006.jpg

    I went up to the shed and dug out my MF catalogues, 1887 & 1894 both show no ratchet selector (how have I missed that in the amount of times I've looked at them?) but everything else about them concurs with my early example. Going back to Oldtoolheaven.com it says that a ring type shifter was fitted 1887 but Martin's catalogue is from 1899. The 1905 Melhuish's catalogue I looked at shows it with a ring shifter but it lacks the extendable crank handle.
    I can only think that these shown lacking the ring selector must have used the clip style selector as used on the later model, but the cat' drawings aren't of high enough quality to see that. Martins catalogue shows a later type of head attachment incorporating a ball race which mine lacks but Oldtoolheaven.com says was brought in in 1894.
    Talk about confusing, of course it's hard to do a type study when you've only got one example to study.
    I think, also, an important point here was made by a commentator elsewhere, that the artwork used in a lot of catalogues was carried on from edition to edition so that after a few years they were quite irrelevant to the current model.
    If you've got an early model No 182 some photos here would be appreciated.

    Cheers,
    Geoff.
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    Whaaaaat?

    So you clamp to to your piece of timber, select the angle you want, select the speed you want, and crank away? I think I missed the self-feed.

    Marvelous, but a bit big to stick under the bench when not in use .

    Cheers, Vann.
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    C'mon Vann, a flash piece of gear like that is never going to lie under your bench.
    No sign of a brand then Paul? Looks maybe German to me.

    Cheers,
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    On second thoughts, perhaps Jacob Leukarts of Columbus Ohio, 1912 US Patent No 1,037,939. (I tried to link to DATAMP but wasn't working this morning so I removed it.)
    Well past my bedtime.
    Cheers,
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    Hi all,
    I've got a couple of braces made for E C Simmons by Stanley Rule & Level Co or John Fray Co. E C Simmons is well known for their Keen Kutter brand, but these two are different. From what I can make out it is "E C Simmons B B Braces" inside a shield. My research has lead me to one of many Simmons brands, Blue Brand, which I assume the B B refers to.
    Does anyone have any more info' on this brand such as years of use and so on?
    You'll see there are letters visible either side of the shield on the lower photo, that's a couple of Fray Patent dates, one for the chuck which is N/A and the other for the ratchet which is relevant.

    Cheers,
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    Hi Geoff,

    Found this picture in another book.
    It looks the same to me.

    Martin.IMG_20210528_120302.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by old workshop View Post
    ...Found this picture in another book...
    Quite a few "interesting" variations on the standard brace, all together on that page Martin.

    And I have a pair of pyjama pants identical to those you're wearing... .

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Martin, that's the first time I've seen both later and earlier No 182 in the same book, and you're right, it also lacks the ring selector for the ratchet. Does your catalogue have a date? Also the pricing seems a bit different.

    Ignore Vann's rude remark, he obviously never owned a pair of 70's dance pants.

    Cheers,
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    Hi Geoff,

    I bought this book in 2008 for identifying tools.
    It was produced in 2008 by Tony Murlands and is called
    Murlands Antique Tool Value Guide. I bought it for mostly
    hand planes, but it has a lot of different tolls in it .
    It has 15 pages of Braces and is priced in Uk pounds.
    There are 200 pages of antique tools in it.

    Will these Pants become collectable and talked about one day?

    Martin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old workshop View Post

    Will these Pants become collectable and talked about one day?

    Martin.

    Martin

    I don't know about collectable, but it seems to me they are already being talked about.

    Regards
    Paul
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