Thread: Broken Stanley No. 1 Worth Anything

Originally Posted by Vann

...I'd be very interested to see what Lie-Nielsen would charge for a No.2 lever cap, as I'm keen to get one for my Record No.2.

I've considered getting the parts to complete my No.02 a few times.

For the lever-cap: short of a second-hand part, or modifying a No.3 lever cap (which I hear doesn't work well as the side ribs get too thin) it looks like a Lie-Nielsen lever-cap is the only option. Quangsheng make a No.1 and a No.3, but no No.2. The Lie.Nielsen lever-cap is brass and has no branding - and would make an elegant replacement.

For the cutting iron: the Lie-Nielsen No.2 iron is 1/8" thick - too thick to make for an easy conversion. I haven't found any other sources of No.2 irons - so I think in this instance I'd grind the sides of a standard No.3 iron.

For the cap iron: A thick Lie-Nielsen cap-iron doesn't present the same problems as a thick cutting iron, so the L-N might work. But the location of the yoke/Y-lever hole, in relation to the leading edge, would need to be checked out. Once again, a ground to width No.3 cap-iron is probably a better solution - but here too, the location of the yoke hole will need to be checked. It might come down to making one from scratch.

I wonder if there would be worthwhile savings in getting three lever-caps sent from Maine? For Thumbsucker, Auscab, and myself.

Cheers, Vann.

Originally Posted by thumbsucker

What type? I guess a Type 6

Originally Posted by Patrick's Blood & Gore

...This plane never came equipped with the frog adjusting screw that was offered on the larger bench planes, nor did it experience the changes in the frog's receiver, save for the first (H-shaped) to the second (broad machined area) designs (see the #3 for an explanation and images of the changes in the frog's receiver). And for those of you who follow the type studies religiously (keep in mind that Stanley never knew about the type studies when they were making their stuff), this plane doesn't follow the study very well. It seems as if the Stanley employees, given the task of making #2's, were off in their happy, little #2-land, oblivious to the changes made to the plane's larger brothers. No model of the No.2 has the patent date(s) cast into it, behind the frog...

So I guess a Type 2...

Cheers, Vann

The lateral adjustment only came on Type 5

Originally Posted by Vann

I wonder if there would be worthwhile savings in getting three lever-caps sent from Maine? For Thumbsucker, Auscab, and myself.

Cheers, Vann.

Not wanting one for me . Thanks for the consideration though Vann .

The no 2 I showed is a parts plane, a purchase I bought for its lever cap . That cap went to my good no 2 and the broken part off my good no 2 was put back with the parts plane .

Not to say I wont fix it up . Id have to come across a good casting of the body first . Or another cheap parts plane with a good body .

Rob

Originally Posted by thumbsucker

The lateral adjustment only came on Type 5

That statement cannot be correct as Stanley Bedrocks had a lateral adjuster from Type 1.

If what you're saying was correct then the No.1 cannot have been made after 1884 when 'Type 5' was introduced - yet they were in production until 1943. And the No.2 can't have been made after 1902 (when the base casting was altered again) - yet they were in production until 1961.

So I'll quote again....

Originally Posted by Patricks Blood & Gore

...This plane never came equipped with the frog adjusting screw that was offered on the larger bench planes, nor did it experience the changes in the frog's receiver, save for the first (H-shaped) to the second (broad machined area) designs (see the #3 for an explanation and images of the changes in the frog's receiver). And for those of you who follow the type studies religiously (keep in mind that Stanley never knew about the type studies when they were making their stuff), this plane doesn't follow the study very well. It seems as if the Stanley employees, given the task of making #2's, were off in their happy, little #2-land, oblivious to the changes made to the plane's larger brothers. No model of the No.2 has the patent date(s) cast into it, behind the frog...

There are only two types of No.2 mentioned, and your plane isn't the first type. Therefore:

Originally Posted by Vann

So I guess a Type 2...

Cheers, Vann.

Rather than trying to “type” this plane you can guestimate the date of manufacture from the individual components and when they were first introduced on the more common sized bench planes.

The lateral adjuster is the two piece design, so post 1892. The frog receiver is also of the design made after that date.
The front knob is the low type so that puts it before the 1919 introduction of the high type
The logo on the iron was used from 1907 to 1911.
What’s left of the lever cap points it being the keyhole type, not the kidney shape introduced in 1933.

Bearing in mind that all changes in types can only really be attributed to the common 4’s & 5’s which were the cash cows and that old parts stocks would always be used up first I think it’s fair to say while it was definitely made after 1892 the end date could be open to lots of “what if” interpretation. Assuming the knob, lever cap and iron are original that puts it around the 1910 mark, no earlier than 1907 but possibly up until the start of the Great War.