Thread: Buck Saw

That's very nice.

I don't know the maker, but the flat-under sawgrip reminds me of photos I have seen of saws that had a brass strip along the base of the handle.

Cheers,
Paul McGee

Interesting. Never seen brass on a saw handle. Got a photo?

A very old saw from the looks. Among other things, the flat bottom to the handle is a direct pointer to age.
You may find that - like a lot of these old saws - the blade is not tapered, but of uniform thickness all the way from toe to handle. (This makes for a heavy saw.)
Yours looks like it was barely used
Ray G is the saw guru.
Here is his list of saw makers, that may help you find more info.
The handle looks to be in good shape, and should take a repair to the top spur.
Nice find
Well done
SG

I may have been remembering incorrectly ... this one is not flat:

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Discussion here:
Simonds Hand Saw - Handle Guard?

Cheers,
Paul.

Hi Michael, and all,

Thanks for the PM, I'd missed this thread completely, that's what comes from spending too much time hanging out in the heavy industrial section of the metal workers area...

Congratulations on a fine saw!..

There were a number of Bucks, but the one in Tottenham Court Road was George Buck.. As you've noted he was a planemaker as well.

From Goodman's
George Buck
245 Tottenham Court Road 1838-1852
245-247 Tottenham Court Road 1862 -1866
Mrs George Buck
247 Tottenham Court Road 1867-1879
242 Tottenham Court Road 1880-1930

From Hand Saw Makers of Britain
George Buck
245 Tottenham Court Road 1838-1915

Just looking at the saw, straight top, straight heel, intact nib, broken top horn ( worth fixing) london pattern beech handle, 3 screws.. Generally good condition I'd think.

Towards the end of the 1800's the number of screws tended to increase, except on some of the lower grades where they saved money by having less screws, I'd think your saw could easily be mid 1800's maybe 1860-1880 at a guess.

The top of the handle in front of the cheek tend to be smaller on earlier saws, the shape on yours looks to be the earlier.. Also the lambs tongue is that nicely carved elegant curve.. very nice.

Worth a bit of effort to clean up and it will be an excellent saw.

Regards
Ray

Thanks Ray (and Paul and SG)

I'll clean it up, weigh and compare against the Disstons etc and post some photos at some stage soon hopefully. I note that the blade is tapered.

Cheers

SC

Hi Michael,

Here's an interesting connection between your saw and the retailer Buck and Hickman

"The Buck family name has long been synonymous with collectors and users of hand planes and other woodworking tools throughout the past 150 years or so. Spanning several generations (and continuing right up to the current day) the Buck family were a dynasty of tool makers and sellers in London and had outlets throughout other parts of Britain. In the early 19th century, brothers, George, Joseph and Matthew Buck, became very well known and respected as London toolmakers and dealers. Their sister, Ann Buck marries John Roe Hickman, who was a printer by trade. In 1840, Ann Hickman opened a small tool shop, Buck & Co, in the East End of London. As this was during the industrial revolution, where innovations in tools, machinery and technology flourished, the business did extremely well and Buck & Hickman soon moved to Whitechapel Road, London."


Ann Buck was George Buck's sister, which is well known, but there is also a connection between George and his brother in law John Roe Hickman.


In the 1856 London Gazette.








So it would seem that George Buck was in partnership with his brother in law John Roe Hickman and co-founder of the famous Buck and Hickman hardware retailer... maybe they didn't get along?



Buck and Hickman are of course still in business going strong..



Buck & Hickman - Product range


Regards
Ray

Two more with similar handles, both pre the 1880s certainly ...
Being described as 'Possible 18th C'.

The nuts are similarly placed on one ... both now that I look at it.

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Again English ...

Waller & Co

Wheatman & Smith

Originally Posted by pmcgee

That's very nice.

I don't know the maker, but the flat-under sawgrip reminds me of photos I have seen of saws that had a brass strip along the base of the handle.

Cheers,
Paul McGee

There are a few saws with a reinforcing plate, this is the most well known.

Harvey W. Peace <<<click here




I've never seen one on a flat bottomed English style handle.

Toby

Well as long as were talking about flat bottomed handles...

click here >>> http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthr...v=#Post5888407



Toby

Originally Posted by TobyC

There are a few saws with a reinforcing plate, this is the most well known.

Harvey W. Peace <<<click here




I've never seen one on a flat bottomed English style handle.

Toby

No ... that would be me being wrong, wrong, wrong.
You kinda get used to it after a while


Thanks TC ... your links took me here: My Little Saw Museum… – The Saw Blog

Love this part:
"5) 26 inch Groves and Sons with beautifully patinated London Pattern handle and a fairly clear makers stamp. A crown or two are visible. Some sick S.O.B. replaced the original nuts with domed nuts and a ‘Disston and Son’ medallion…..grrrrrrrrrr."

BTW: I recently got this beautiful thing. 22" blade. Same JULY 1883 patent, but a WS medallion. Made by HP do you think?

Hey Paul,

Check the patent date on your reinforcing plate...

WoodNet Forums: Not all Tenney July 3, 1883 reinforcing plates are created equal.....


Here is some more Matt...(no.3 on his wall)

A historical saw… – The Saw Blog

Toby

Paul,
Can't tell which model it is, if it is a Peace. If the patent date is a match, and you want to know more about your saw, contact Joshua Clark, at [email protected]. Josh is a nice guy, and he might enjoy seeing a Peace in Australia. Send him a pic or two.

Toby