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17th October 2019, 05:27 PM #1
Combination plane v. Skew Rabbet planes (of the Veritas variety)
Further to my earlier attempts to understand what I really want (or need) on handplanes, I've a hopefully quick question.....
Veritas sell their all singing and dancing Combination Plane. It is a beast. It was recommended to me here.
I've the Veritas Skew rabbet plane thanks to a forumite.
The question! Is the Skew Rabbet distinct in its capacities, or is every function covered by the Combination plane?
My thoughts flow from the fact I'm all weird in my handedness. Leftie for some tasks, right for others, ambo in a few. It gives me a few problems (it is absolutely NOT an advantage!). Secondarily, I'm keen to minimise the number of tools I have due to Itty Bitty Living Space issues
The combo planes sales pitch seems to push the fact it can replace all 621 speciality planes with one, plus it has a nice selection of blades.
As an aside, the Veritas planes are absolutely astonishing in their quality and presentation. It is astounding the difference in hand feel and finish they have to ALL of my other planes. They are a SOLID investment in my woodworking and I thank everyone for pushing me down this rabbit hole
If anyone has any thoughts they'd care to share, I'd love to hear them.
For those who may be unfamiliar with these planes, here are some pictures....
COMBO
veritas combo plane.jpg
SKEW RABBITS
veritas skew rabbit.jpg
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17th October 2019, 06:18 PM #2
Ah! I found this https://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolRe...ane-dados.html
and this! https://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolRe...dingPlane.html
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17th October 2019, 06:19 PM #3
Essentially the combination plane will do the same job as the rebate plane; but it's performance is compromised by a couple of factors:
No mouth. Combo's run on skates so they have an open mouth; this means that cranky grained timbers are more prone to tearing.
Blade is presented at 90 degrees to the skates. A skewed blade cuts smoother and cleaner, especially against end grain.
Loss of depth. A rebate plane has one side ground to allow the plane to run down the rebate to an unlimited depth; a combo will bottom out around an inch.
More fiddly to set up and the opportunities for Mr Cock-up to pay a visit are a magnitude greater.
No combo plane replaces a single use plane; combos can rebate, plough, fillister, bead, T&G and mouldalmost as well as a single use version of any of those. Almost...
Saying that; I have several because I enjoy their complexities and find them fun to use! When they work, anyway....Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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17th October 2019, 08:25 PM #4SENIOR MEMBER
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It can do the same job as the Chief says but you’d need to be very organised to say, cut all your grooves at once, then all your rebates without having to go back. To re-set it all up again is going to suck (although I’m sure set up and efficiency isn’t foreign to you). There’s no way you won’t end up with both so just get them now
You boys like Mexico ?
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17th October 2019, 09:43 PM #5
Hi Evan
The strength of the Skew Rabbet Plane lies in the ability to plane rebates both with- and across the grain. This also enables it to be a good choice for raised panels (as in box lids).
The Combination Plane is a jack-of-all-trades, and will plane rebates, but not with the power and control of the Skew Rabbet. It has straight blades, which will not produce the same finish across the grain. It is a plane that excels in grooves and beads, and does a damn fine job of dados, none of which the Skew Rabbet can do.
Come for a visit to Perth, and I will happily demonstrate them
Regards from Perth
DerekVisit www.inthewoodshop.com for tutorials on constructing handtools, handtool reviews, and my trials and tribulations with furniture builds.
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18th October 2019, 12:07 AM #6
It started with just one.....
This gives me a headache!
My wife used to complain about the way I bought sandpaper! The range of sizes, types and grits occupied moving boxes!
Now, I fear it will be a crate of planes! Sam, you are right.... the wisdom of Mr Cowan and Tiffo have twisted my arm... (I must be a person easy to bribe, or convince).
Who would have thought that something with a function as basic as a plane had so many applications... so many reasons for so many types to exist.
Overall, I've found the writings of Derek on his site to be both enlightening and entertaining. SWMBO was looking at me, while all night I was reading something intently. No doubt she felt I was looking at Fouler Things On The Internet... but alas, only a form of entertainment which threatens my bank balance, unlike gambling or a decent drug addiction....
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18th October 2019, 05:15 AM #7
Take Derek up on his offer.
I recall from a slightly earlier post that you have purchased a wardrobe with drawers to store your tools.
May I suggest that you install tills in the drawers. Tills -- aka sliding trays -- will allow you to massively increase the effective capacity of the drawsregards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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18th October 2019, 01:07 PM #8
I would take up Derek on his offer..... but I get to the local shops only rarely, let alone Perth! .... (wife is pretty crook and is full time care ATM).
Next year (!!! Where did it go!) I fully intend getting to a few conferences, get-togethers, shows and exhibitions. One needs to have an ambition, dont they.
I'm really enjoying this adventure with hand tools. I'm falling quite in love with it. I like the EFFORT and muscular action. At 50 (in January) I'm starting to feel my muscles weaken (and I'm a fairly....errr... big lad), so this will be good.
Its interesting how just one sentence can clinch a decision....The strength of the Skew Rabbet Plane lies in the ability to plane rebates both with- and across the grain. This also enables it to be a good choice for raised panels (as in box lids).
Now to learn to be more right handed
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18th October 2019, 01:14 PM #9
Evan, I know you do boxes - that's why I mentioned it
Here: http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furnitu...ingapanel.html
Regards from Perth
DerekVisit www.inthewoodshop.com for tutorials on constructing handtools, handtool reviews, and my trials and tribulations with furniture builds.
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18th October 2019, 01:18 PM #10
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18th October 2019, 03:06 PM #11
Good luck
and I mean it.
I can't recall ever seeing a wardrobe that is "sturdy" or "heavy duty" enough to even come close to being suitable for use as a workbench.
The best option I am aware of is this Apartment Workbench Plan - Lee Valley Toolsregards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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18th October 2019, 09:47 PM #12
Oh my God I love it!!!
Add a couple of detachable wood thread vices and I'd be quite happy.
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18th October 2019, 11:57 PM #13
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