Thread: D2 Plane Blades - Batch Order 02

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8 days to go and the following blades or combination of lengths are left.

100 x 50 x 8 mm
100 x 50 x 8 mm
100 x 50 x 8 mm

50 x 60 x 8 mm
100 x 60 x 8 mm
100 x 60 x 8 mm

100 x 80 x 8 mm
100 x 80 x 8 mm

Oh yeah.

Hey, how many of you fellas have already made planes around the Batch 01s?

TS, mind you If I make a plane according to your green plan? I need a york pitch one and that yours looks quite comfortable in pics. Just to check it out, would you change the profile/shape somehow in terms of use?

kippis,

sumu

Hi Sumu

I finished shaping the mockup out of the softwood for shape and comfort and gave it a showing at kman-oz Melbourne West Shed Meet.

A few folks had a feel and seemed very happy with the comfort level of the grip. Groggy made a good suggestion which I have incorporated into the design. Groggy suggested that I should have a small space between the rear bun and the back of the blade that way you had space for your finger to go. SWMBO also suggested a small recess for the three middle finger of your hand to rest in to aid the gripping action of the hand. See photos for explanation.

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Krenox makes a point of having recess to aid the grip on the side of his planes this has a long history I found this photo with blurb very interesting.

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I have updated the plane design with more details giving a view of the sole which has an interesting detail. Since the human hand is not square or symmetrical a comfortable grip must reflect this fact. Therefore the rear of the plane is skew not square this came about by accident on the mock up however I found it to be very handy innovation because the skew shaped the rear bun to fit more comfortable into the shape of the hand along the diagonal centre of a cupped hand holding onto the rear bun, since I am left handed the skew is from right to left.

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At this stage people are grinding the primary bevel (not an issue for batch 02), I know that kman and groggy both have blades ground. Kman has had a few goes and I have made some prototypes. I however hold the title for taking the first shavings with batch 01 blades. Kman and I (working on it together) hope to make this cooktown ironwood plane to be the first fully operational batch 01 plane.

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Moved the blade forward and created more space behind the blade for your fingers were the arrows are. The areas in purple would be a good place to carve a recess with a carving gouge for your fingers to rest into to further round the grip making it more comfortable.

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Photo 02 - 03 - 04

This is the softwood shape mock up, it is a frankenstein plane however as a concept it has worked wonderfully.

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Photos 05 - 06 - 07

This is the basic blank for the Cooktown Ironwood plane Laminated k-man style, the throat has be cut but not cleaned, and it needs to now be shaped according to the lines. Note how the blade sits forward of the rear bun.

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*NOTE* After some thought I think that I will go the path of laminating the planes and using brass abutments from Terry gordon that he uses in his planes for $20 with the lamination process it would be very easy plane to build.

7 days and 22 hours to go

Skew ChiDAMN!! picked up a 250 x 60 x 8 mm for a skew plane he will be building.
simon_b just picked up a 100 x 50 x 8 mm for a Jointer he will be building.
graham355 has ordered two blades
kevjed increased his order
JDF has ordered three blades
Ray153 has increased his order


40 x 4 mm - SOLD OUT
200 mm @ 50 x 8 mm - [ Two Blades Left ]
250 mm @ 60 x 8 mm - SOLD OUT
200 mm @ 80 x 8 mm - [ Two Blades Left ]
1/8" x 3/4" x 7.2" Plane floats SOLD OUT
3/16" x 3/4" x 7.2" Plane floats SOLD OUT



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Hi there TS,

Hey mate, don't you ever sleep? Nice work on the Ironwood plane. What final size is it going to be, long that is?

While I'm here, put me down for one more blade please: 150 x 60 x 8mm.

Cheers
Pops

Originally Posted by thumbsucker

A few folks had a feel and seemed very happy with the comfort level of the grip. Groggy made a good suggestion which I have incorporated into the design. Groggy suggested that I should have a small space between the rear bun and the back of the blade that way you had space for your finger to go. SWMBO also suggested a small recess for the three middle finger of your hand to rest in to aid the gripping action of the hand. See photos for explanation.

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Krenox makes a point of having recess to aid the grip on the side of his planes this has a long history I found this photo with blurb very interesting.

Yes those improvements are probably the ones I was after, too. I once made a half-droplet shaped plane. It provided too little grip to work comfortably. Kinda pure aerodynamics, but not very practical shape for a plane. Looked fast, though . I gave it to a friend not much into woodworking but more into design issues.

At this stage people are grinding the primary bevel (not an issue for batch 02), I know that kman and groggy both have blades ground. Kman has had a few goes and I have made some prototypes. I however hold the title for taking the first shavings with batch 01 blades. Kman and I (working on it together) hope to make this cooktown ironwood plane to be the first fully operational batch 01 plane.

Oh yes, good teamwork rules big time.

I have played with a thought how the entire plane sole moves back and forth instead of just a small piece in front of the mouth. That would give both adjustable mouth and possibility to surely receive an uniformly flat sole after truing. After all, the max movement is just a couple of millimeters.

In those planes of mine where are those wider (deeper) brass wear pieces, there has been appearing something like wedge-shaping after truing the sole. It's not yet intensive, but may become disturbing at some point.

Think, when you make the cavity for such a brass piece. At that moment of make it has parallel bottom with the sole. But the sole wears, maybe more at toe and you true it (and the wear plate), it makes the sole line a bit off-axis with the wear piece cavity bottom. Then when you move the wear piece, it either sinks or protrudes, depending on how much and whereto the sole has been trued.

*NOTE* After some thought I think that I will go the path of laminating the planes and using brass abutments from Terry gordon that he uses in his planes for $20 with the lamination process it would be very easy plane to build.

Not bad idea at all, indeed. They are very strong when used with stiff hardwood. You can align the holes very easily when drilling sides faces together and locked with dowels. I'd say at least try it out .

kippis,

sumu

Hi Pops

Originally Posted by Pops

Hey mate, don't you ever sleep?

I have had a busy weekend and at this time dealing with lots of stuff, so I am managing only very short and disturbed sleep. Things should settle down in a month.

Originally Posted by Pops

What final size is it going to be, long that is?

It seems to be a cross between a jack and a trying plane in size maybe about 18" in length when finished.

Originally Posted by Pops

put me down for one more blade please: 150 x 60 x 8mm.

I am sorry but you were to late on Batch 02 as the last 60 x 8 mm D2 was picked up by skew only 200 mm each of the 50 mm and 80 mm D2 remains.

So do not miss out folks unless you like to wait for the distant and at this time nebulous batch 03.

I have updated the plane design with more details giving a view of the sole which has an interesting detail. Since the human hand is not square or symmetrical a comfortable grip must reflect this fact. Therefore the rear of the plane is skew not square this came about by accident on the mock up however I found it to be very handy innovation because the skew shaped the rear bun to fit more comfortable into the shape of the hand along the diagonal centre of a cupped hand holding onto the rear bun, since I am left handed the skew is from right to left.



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7 days left with a max of 4 blades left

200 mm @ 50 x 8 mm - [ Two Blades Left ]
200 mm @ 80 x 8 mm - [ Two Blades Left ]

Hi TS,

Hope 2008 improves for you soon.

Will keep an eye on your jack/trying plane progress.

No problem regarding the 60mm blade. Will build that plane vicariously by waiting for Skew to build his and post a WIL. A lot less sweat that way too.

Thanks for the update TS.

Cheers
Pops

6 days to go with only 4 blades left.

200 mm @ 50 x 8 mm - [ Two Blades Left ]
200 mm @ 80 x 8 mm - [ Two Blades Left ]

Here are some photos of the plane kman-oz, kevjed and I were working on. At this point I have *near* completed the final shaping. I am just not 100% happy with the shape of the front still a little "square" for taste. Opinions welcome.

The throats and mouth has been cleaned up with a chisel to final dimensions it is now a mater of scarping/sanding the bed mill spec flat or near to as possible. I will post photos of some make shift sandpaper floats I have made up just for that task.

Then their is the most difficult part the wedge.

I am going to laminate some spotted gum as a sole that has a nice complimentary color to Cooktown Ironwood and is the next hardest timber that I have.

The plane with sole and iron weights just over 1.5 kg.

The plane is finished with ubeaut EEE-ULTRA SHINE and ubeaut TRADITIONAL WAX - simply the best finishing solution that I have ever used.

You'll have to bring that ultra-shine back next week so I can have a play with it

Originally Posted by thumbsucker

Here are some photos of the plane kman-oz, kevjed and I were working on. At this point I have *near* completed the final shaping. I am just not 100% happy with the shape of the front still a little "square" for taste. Opinions welcome.

Looks Good - Real Good - how long till first curly whirlies??

and um dumb question. Why do you need a laminated sole?

Thumsucker,
you are too kind giving me credit for input into the plane. Yes, I watched and contributed a little to the discussion but I only spent a few minutes on the tools, I still have a lovely little nick in my left hand to prove it. Kman and your good self have done a great job there. It looks great. I hope I can see it in use next time we meet.
Kevin