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    Default Let's see you egg beater drills

    Ok go dust them off and show a pic and details of your egg beater drills
    I love mine, all users except for the new miller falls I need to fix up.
    Here are mine
    The small millers fall with the price tag string still attached is a recent purchase and needs some work. I tend to use the small leytool drill for larger stuff the larger Millers falls and for anything bigger I use a brace.
    I haven't had much luck with the drill press I think it needs some fettling and practice.
    Regards Mike

    Mike

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    Are breast drills included?

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post
    Are breast drills included?

    Cheers, Vann.
    Absolutely!

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by code4pay View Post
    Absolutely!
    Dammit! I'll have to get the camera (and a heap of drills) out this weekend, and take some pikkies (a ban on breasts would have halved the task) .

    Are post drills included (they're hand wound too)? Your answer will determine whether I get any work done this weekend, or not .

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post
    Dammit! I'll have to get the camera (and a heap of drills) out this weekend, and take some pikkies (a ban on breasts would have halved the task) .

    Are post drills included (they're hand wound too)? Your answer will determine whether I get any work done this weekend, or not .

    Cheers, Vann.
    Sorry mate they are also in

    Mike

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    Okay, I'll start small.

    Here are the drills that hang above my workbench.

    Eggbeaters1.jpg

    Some are partially repainted - others not. All (except the MF No.2) have been de-gunked, cleaned and oiled. From L-R:
    - Millers Falls No.118 two speed breast drill. Never used these days (might help if I replaced the two wooden handles );
    - No name, double pinion drill. A regular user. Has a countersink bit semi-permanently fitted;
    - Millers Falls No.200 two speed breast drill with ratchet. Also never used these days;
    - Stanley 803. Probably the best common-or-garden eggbeater ever made. Used regularly;
    - Record 123. Record's version of the Stanley 803. Also a very good user;
    - Millers Falls No.2. Awaiting overhaul (not used);
    - No name, double pinion drill. Another regular user. This one has a 3mm bit semi-permanently fitted.

    When I did my apprenticeship I shunned eggbeaters (too many hands required to use them). In the early 2000s I went on a hand tool (i.e. non-powered) kick. I now still regularly use the four users in the photo.

    I have many more. I'll take some more photos tomorrow.

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Seems like you prefer the double pinion drives? It makes sense they would be less likely to skip teeth. None of mine are double pinion I will have to keep an eye out for one to give it a try. What is the ratcheting mechanism some of yours have?

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    Default A Taster - Of Things To Come.

    Here's a photo I took 2 or 3 years ago.

    Posties1.jpg

    Post drills - from R-L:
    - Silver Manufacturing Co No.22 two-speed post drill. Complete and in working order. Used very occasionally;
    - Wiley & Russell, Green River No.841 post drill, with loose & fast pullies. Not quite complete (the flywheel is a ring-in);
    - Boynton & Plummer No.1 post drill. Not quite complete (missing table and crank handle);
    - Silver Manufacturing Co No.14 two-speed post drill. Not quite complete (I have the column, foot, yoke & table in a box);
    - Dawn Manufacturing No.611 post drill. Complete and in good working order (never used as there's too much junk in that corner).

    I also have a Silver No.21 and a Silver No. 23 (just last month acquired most of the parts required to complete it) awaiting work.

    And downstairs in my workshop I have...

    2ML.jpg CBF1.jpg Boring holes in a post to mount the Silver No.22

    ...yet another post drill. A Canadian Blower & Forge No.61, which gets occasional use.

    Cheers, Vann.
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    I'm envious of those post drills!

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    Quote Originally Posted by code4pay View Post
    Seems like you prefer the double pinion drives? It makes sense they would be less likely to skip teeth...
    Yes. As a rule, double pinion eggbeaters just run so much smoother than single pinion machines. Or that's my O-pinion . There are exceptions. Almost identical to the Stanley 803 (above) is the 805 single pinion eggbeater. Out of half a dozen 805s, maybe only one will run as smooth as the double pinion 803 (don't ask me how I know this . I gave the other five to the local kindy).


    Quote Originally Posted by code4pay View Post
    ...What is the ratcheting mechanism some of yours have?
    Of those in the first picture, only the MF No.200 has a ratchet. It's a rather clunky spring-loaded pawl that can be reversed to change the direct of ratchet. I have some much nicer ones...

    Cheers, Vann.

    ps Have you seen this site? https://oldtoolheaven.com/breast_dri...east_drill.htm
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    Wheelinround took this photo of a great display idea that lives at Lake Goldsmith;


    regs,
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    Quote Originally Posted by code4pay View Post
    I'm envious of those post drills!
    It's been a long road. I bought my first one 7 years ago today (coincidence!). It was the Dawn No.611. I had to buy a second incomplete one to get all the parts I needed. Dawn Post Drill

    Same with the Canadian Blower and Forge No.61. Post Drill - Canadian Blower & Forge No.61

    I bought a broken Boynton & Plummer No.1 because it had the correct sized flywheel for my No.1 Boynton & Plummer Post Drill

    I bought two very nice Champion No.101 post drills because each came with a bunch of blacksmiths drill bits. In a rationalisation I sold them both (without the bits).

    But my favourites are the Silvers. Silver made four different sizes of post drills, their No.1 (pre-1890s) is the same size as their No.11 (pre-1911) and their No.21 (post-1911). Ditto their No.2 is the same size as their No.12 and No.22 (spot the pattern?).

    So I have one of each size: No.21, No.22, No.23 and their largest (but previous model) No.14.

    Actually I have two of the No.23. I bought this one, complete (but seized) except for everything below the main casting - i.e. column, foot, fork and table - about four years ago. I've been on the lookout for parts ever since.

    S23a.jpg S23b.jpg

    Then a couple of months ago this butchered one showed up in Christchurch - but it has the column, fork and table. What could I do! I picked it up last month.

    S23c.jpg

    Post drill nirvana .

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Default Blacksmiths Post Drills - Pt.2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post
    ...I bought two very nice Champion No.101 post drills because each came with a bunch of blacksmiths drill bits. In a rationalisation I sold them both (without the bits)...
    So I now have a nice collection of blacksmiths bits, with grateful thanks also to Paul McGee who kindly sent me a handful, and much patience watching Trademe to pick up one here and one there.

    Posties2.jpg

    The rack pictured is a home-made rack that came with one of the Champion post drills. I gave it a tidy-up and reused it. The five drill bits below are my meagre collection of MT1 drill bits (for my powered drill press ).

    Blacksmiths bits (also known as Silver & Deming or S&D bits in the States) below 1/2" are made of unobtainium. They probably went out of production in the 1950s or 60s. Above 1/2" they're still available as "reduced shank" bits - sans the flat for the post drill bolt to grip them.

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Default My Record Collection (no Beatles)

    Some photos I took this morning (before my camera battery went flat ).

    Eggs1.jpg Eggs2.jpg Eggs3.jpg

    From L-R:
    - Record 123 (in better original condition than the user in an earlier post);
    - Record 423 - a more modern one of reduced quality;
    - Stanley 803 (again in better original condition than the user in an earlier post).

    And a nice pair of breasts .

    Eggs4.jpg

    From L-R:
    - Record 145;
    - Record 124;
    - Record 144;
    and on
    - Record 122 - single pinion eggbeater.

    Record eggbeaters came in four models; 122, 123, 124 and 125. The Record 124 eggbeater is a particularly nice drill, with a few extra features such as a knurled edge on the drive gear wheel and the main handle can be removed and set at 90 degrees. The 125 is slightly nicer again, but I haven't found one of them. UK Alf did a great write up on the 124 on her (now discontinued) blog.

    Record introduced drills to their range of products in 1932 (catalogue 11) & 1933 (catalogue 12) and last listed them in 1938 (catalogue 15), with the exception of the No.123 eggbeater which remained in production probably into the 1960s before morphing into the Record-Marples No.423.

    We all know that Record copied Stanley planes - right down to the (by then) non-standard threads. When it came to breast drills they copied Millers Falls models. They produced three models: 144, 145 and 146.
    - the 144 appears to be a copy of the MF 120;
    - the 145 appears to be a copy of the MF 118;
    - the 146 is the same as the 145 but with a 2-jaw chuck (MF 15 or 24?)
    Scroll down this link for more info Record Hand Planes

    Cheers, Vann.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewOC View Post
    Wheelinround took this photo of a great display idea that lives at Lake Goldsmith;
    regs,
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    Nice, Though I don't think I would never end up with that many I'm not really a collector of tools more a user.

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