Thread: can someone explain this please

Did you forget to sand up near the bit that's marked red?

Maybe it was cast like that for a certain type, or mucked around with by a previous owner.. How old is it (out of curiosity, and because it might give other members the info they need to help)

Originally Posted by Eldanos of KDM

Did you forget to sand up near the bit that's marked red?

Maybe it was cast like that for a certain type, or mucked around with by a previous owner.. How old is it (out of curiosity, and because it might give other members the info they need to help)

no i didnt forget to sand the red part, the red part wont make contact ie its not on the same plane as the green area. The way i c it, it hasnt been modified by the previous owner as its in pretty good condition. This isnt my only plane with this problem, my block plane side has it too. I bought my no 3 at a sunday market, seller is the best tool guy in the whole market cuz he preps all his stuff (sharpening, polishing rust away etc) before he sells em while every other shop sells rusty blunt garbage. If u dont believe or quite understand this phenomenon then i might have to take a pic of my plane after the side has been sanded.

Originally Posted by luckduck32167

no i didnt forget to sand the red part, the red part wont make contact ie its not on the same plane as the green area. The way i c it, it hasnt been modified by the previous owner as its in pretty good condition. This isnt my only plane with this problem, my block plane side has it too. I bought my no 3 at a sunday market, seller is the best tool guy in the whole market cuz he preps all his stuff (sharpening, polishing rust away etc) before he sells em while every other shop sells rusty blunt garbage. If u dont believe or quite understand this phenomenon then i might have to take a pic of my plane after the side has been sanded.

This "polishing the rust" away would be my first guess as to the reason behind the rounding of the edges.
If that plane body had been run around edge on a wire wheel, or a sanding disk.... that would explain it.
Even done by hand with a sanding block most people can't control it well enough to not round an edge as the paper and block goes over the edge.
I polish metal daily, and have for 35 years, and it isn't something done well by most tool enhancers.
Sadly there are also dealers who think they can do it the best in the world...but they are rotten at it, and they spoil untold numbers of tools in their misguided attempts.

Regards,
Peter
Peter McBride Antique and Old Tools

Originally Posted by lightwood

This "polishing the rust" away would be my first guess as to the reason behind the rounding of the edges.
If that plane body had been run around edge on a wire wheel, or a sanding disk.... that would explain it.
Even done by hand with a sanding block most people can't control it well enough to not round an edge as the paper and block goes over the edge.
I polish metal daily, and have for 35 years, and it isn't something done well by most tool enhancers.
Sadly there are also dealers who think they can do it the best in the world...but they are rotten at it, and they spoil untold numbers of tools in their misguided attempts.

Regards,
Peter
Peter McBride Antique and Old Tools

nice answer pete, i think u answered my question.

Don't worry about it, it won't affect the functioning of the plane one bit.
I have just finished de-rusting an older Stanley 5-1/2 that is so pitted that no-one would be remotely interested in acquiring it. It is one of the early 2-1/4 inch bladed ones with the truly outstanding frog. This plane is totally revolting in appearance but after a tidy up and some fettling it does take some amazing shavings.
I'll post some pix in another thread rather than hijack this one.
After you have tidied your plane up to your satisfaction, it would be nice to see what it can do.
Cheers from Tele Point
SG

It doesn't matter as long as the whole of the green part (in your sketch) is near enough to 90° to the sole

Originally Posted by luckduck32167

nice answer pete, i think u answered my question.

luckduck32167,
Is the same "rounding" evident on bottom of the plane body?
I've seen the base of planes with that same rounding spoil the nice sharp edge at the front of the throat opening. When rounded by whatever process, it effectively adds 50 years wear to a plane in a couple of seconds.
Regards,
Peter

Originally Posted by lightwood

luckduck32167,
Is the same "rounding" evident on bottom of the plane body?
I've seen the base of planes with that same rounding spoil the nice sharp edge at the front of the throat opening. When rounded by whatever process, it effectively adds 50 years wear to a plane in a couple of seconds.
Regards,
Peter

no its not rounded ne where else thank goodness. So u polish metal huh, does that mean u can clean up a rusty old stanley no problems am i right?

Originally Posted by luckduck32167

no its not rounded ne where else thank goodness. So u polish metal huh, does that mean u can clean up a rusty old stanley no problems am i right?

This is the type of metal I usually polish...
Peter McBride Sapphire Rings
And what is critical there is preserving shapes and sharp edges through the polishing process...the same applies to polishing most things. Cast iron and steel planes...wooden planes...anything really.
Old Stanley planes are pretty straight forward to clean up, but the way I attack them depends on how badly they are rusted. The most important thing is...like SG pointed out, the rust pitting won't effect the performance a great deal, unless they are rounded the throat and that sharp front edge is gone.
I found a pre-lateral #4 1/2 in a blokes pile of discard stuff, and before I could stop him, he had picked it up and sat down on his stool, grabbed the disk sander and ran it over the bottom...diving into the throat on one edge. It was still his plane, but I knew there would be a couple of blokes very unhappy about it. Before he did that it was probably worth more than a couple of hundred dollars...so sad. A sympathetic renovation could have made it a treasured find for a pre-lateral Stanley plane collector...it was the only one I've ever seen in the flesh.
Sometimes the neglect is so profound that there will be evidence that it was there.
This is the latest plane I worked on, a 22 1/2 inch Mathieson Jointer. It was very badly rusted, but now it works beautifully.and doesn't look too shabby.
Regards,
Peter

Originally Posted by lightwood

This is the type of metal I usually polish...
Peter McBride Sapphire Rings
And what is critical there is preserving shapes and sharp edges through the polishing process...the same applies to polishing most things. Cast iron and steel planes...wooden planes...anything really.
Old Stanley planes are pretty straight forward to clean up, but the way I attack them depends on how badly they are rusted. The most important thing is...like SG pointed out, the rust pitting won't effect the performance a great deal, unless they are rounded the throat and that sharp front edge is gone.
I found a pre-lateral #4 1/2 in a blokes pile of discard stuff, and before I could stop him, he had picked it up and sat down on his stool, grabbed the disk sander and ran it over the bottom...diving into the throat on one edge. It was still his plane, but I knew there would be a couple of blokes very unhappy about it. Before he did that it was probably worth more than a couple of hundred dollars...so sad. A sympathetic renovation could have made it a treasured find for a pre-lateral Stanley plane collector...it was the only one I've ever seen in the flesh.
Sometimes the neglect is so profound that there will be evidence that it was there.
This is the latest plane I worked on, a 22 1/2 inch Mathieson Jointer. It was very badly rusted, but now it works beautifully.and doesn't look too shabby.
Regards,
Peter

the 2 edges of the throat opening is still pretty sharp thank goodness and i wont file it cuz 1. i dont know how to do it properly and 2. i might round it

woh a disk sander seriously? thats just stupid. Suppose to use sandpaper or lapping plate for doing the plane bottom to the best of my knowledge.