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2nd August 2016, 02:53 PM #1
What File is this?
I was rummaging through my box of saw files yesterday (looking for some little fellahs) and turned up two files that were not the usual three cornered saw files with which I am familiar.
Basically three sided, but each face has two bevels. Overall the face is 1/4" wide with the larger facet being 3/16" and the smaller 1/16".
The files are 6" and made by Nicholson. It is a little difficult to capture the bevels so I have included several pix to compensate for my photographic inadequacies.
Nicholson file 008.jpgNicholson file 002.jpgNicholson file 003.jpgNicholson file 004.jpgNicholson file 005.jpgNicholson file 006.jpgNicholson file 007.jpgNicholson file.jpg
The other thing is that I can't really imagine how it would be used to file a saw if that is indeed what it is. I could see that it would work well on a rip saw about 10ppi, but you would have to file all the teeth from the same side. my reasoning is that a rip tooth has a longer back than face so the unequal facet would assist.
However, it wouldn't work for me as I like to sharpen alternate teeth and then go along the other side and then the facets would be the wrong way around.
I am sure there is a real purpose for this file and I imagine it would have been expensive to produce a file in this way.
Over to you.
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PaulBushmiller;
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2nd August 2016, 03:35 PM #2GOLD MEMBER
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There are Nicholson File catalogs spanning 100 years available online here:
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2nd August 2016, 04:25 PM #3Deceased
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Paul. have a look at page 15, 1954 catalogue, Skip-Tooth Bandsaw Diamond Point. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzJ...w?pref=2&pli=1
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2nd August 2016, 04:32 PM #4
Gavin
That is such a good link and I am now very pleased I resisted the temptation to purchase file catalogues as they came up in the past.
At first I drew a blank, but with a perseverance of which I think you would be proud, I found this 1955 catalogue (also the 1954 catalogue)for Black Diamond, which were made by Nicholson:
https://drive.google.com/a/rigpabt.o...t?pref=2&pli=1
Page 15 shows a skip tooth band saw blade file (for butcher's bandsaws) which appears to be similar to the files I have pictured above.
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It looks to be similar to the bottom file with the tapered tip. I suppose it must have suited the profile of the tooth.
I have noticed an anomaly with the term "skip-tooth" in that some references describe it as a tooth with standard rake (ie. neither positive nor negative rake) while others go with my own understanding of it being every other tooth missing, which gives considerably increased gullet capacity albeit at the sacrifice of cut quality.
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Paul
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2nd August 2016, 04:37 PM #5
Thanks Stewie
I was too slow composing my post plus I was engaging contemporaneously in a heated discussion with SWMBO about a myriad of subjects which included Turnbull trumping Rudd and private health insurance. I was trying to look like I was concentrating on her comments while typing. She is not easy to deceive in this regard plus she was really fired up from a meeting she had had to endure earlier in the day.
However, we are literally on the same page . (You and I, not she and I ).
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Paul, with a net worth of $133 million, Malcolm Turnbull is well qualified to advice the Australian electorate they need to tighten their belts.
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Hi Paul, I thought you might like that site!
I had a quick scan through a few catalogs before having to head out and couldn't find the right shape so decided to just post the main page and let others do the searching.
As part of my random samples I skipped over that decade!
The guy behind the page is Mark Stansbury. He also compiles pages on Foley Filers/Retoothers and Atkins Saws amongst others.
See his pages here: https://www.blogger.com/profile/16266882358076529369
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2nd August 2016, 07:30 PM #8
Gavin
I think you might know me a little too well!
Thanks for the Mark Stansbury link. I have just spent a wonderful time flicking through the Atkins catalogues as it is an area where my knowledge is particularly shaky.
I picked up a lot, but a couple of things in particular:
In the early catalogues Atkins call the saw hardware (incidentally they all refer to saw screws while technically they are bolts) on their flagship model, the Four Hundred, as silver plated. By the 1919 catalogue they are called nickel plated, which I think is more truthful. However in the early days perhaps it was called silver plating. I am not sure when silver plated cutlery was first introduced by the EPNS method. I think it would have been similar. Having said that, Atkins were not averse to introducing a little precious metal into their products.
There was no silver in their silver steel saws for example.
The second thing as I was in scroll mode was I saw a reference to "Whip" saws. I thought I have just got to have a look at those. Turns out they were a narrow saw almost identical to a pit saw so those of you who just became excited will have to relax.
It also put a little bit of a time frame on the carving for their handles, which I think was a stamping process to achieve the floral look. It was not in the 1906 catalogue, but appeared in 1919.It needs to be narrowed down more than that.
Interestingly the early catalogue (1895) only showed one back saw and one handsaw. I thought their production was in full swing before that time. Perhaps not.
Thank you for all the links.
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