Thread: Fulton back saw or backsaw

George, it sounds to me that your backsaw was made by Henry Disston. Disston made the backsaws for the early Stanley Mitre Box, and also made saws for Millers Falls, and others for their mitre boxes.

The medallion in the handle with the words "Warranted Superior" almost certainly indicates that, short of it coming from a different saw, it was made by Disston. Remember that this is my opinion only.

Here are some good links on the subject of saws and Disston.
http://www.disstonianinstitute.com/ In particular look at the page about #4 BackSaws.
http://www.vintagesaws.com

prozac

George, here is another link for some more background. http://www.tooltrip.com/tooltrip9/st...box/mbox09.pdf

Also Woodlee has done a lovely job restoring his Stanley Mitre Box here, https://www.woodworkforums.com/f163/restored-stanley-mitre-box-68359 If you need to know anything about this mitre box he is the bloke to ask.

prozac

Hi Sourdough,

According to "Hand-Saw Makers of North America" Erv Schaffer,

Fulton Saw Mfg. Co. Boston Mass c1870

Acquired by Sears,Roebuck &Co c1895
Acquired by United Hardware & Tool Corp 1910.


Any chance of a picture? Might held pin it down a bit better.

Regards
Ray

Originally Posted by RayG

Hi Sourdough,

According to "Hand-Saw Makers of North America" Erv Schaffer,

Fulton Saw Mfg. Co. Boston Mass c1870

Acquired by Sears,Roebuck &Co c1895
Acquired by United Hardware & Tool Corp 1910.


Any chance of a picture? Might held pin it down a bit better.

Regards
Ray

Bugga! I defer to a higher authority Ray.

prozac

Originally Posted by prozac

George, here is another link for some more background. http://www.tooltrip.com/tooltrip9/st...box/mbox09.pdf

Also Woodlee has done a lovely job restoring his Stanley Mitre Box here, https://www.woodworkforums.com/f163/restored-stanley-mitre-box-68359 If you need to know anything about this mitre box he is the bloke to ask.

prozac

Thanks for the praise Prozac

Kev.

Originally Posted by Woodlee

Thanks for the praise Prozac

Kev.

Common' Kev, don't go getting all swelled headed over this. You're not the Mesiah! No seriously Kev you did a terrific job restoring your mitre box, and I reckon you just might know a thing or two about them now.

prozac

Originally Posted by prozac

Bugga! I defer to a higher authority Ray.

prozac

Hi Prozac,

You are of course referring to Erwin L Schaffer, I deserve credit only for remembering where I left the book and even that's getting harder these days...

Regards Ray

Originally Posted by RayG

Hi Prozac,

You are of course referring to Erwin L Schaffer, I deserve credit only for remembering where I left the book and even that's getting harder these days...

Regards Ray

But you remembered. Did anything happen after the United Tool & Hardware mob took Fulton over?

It is unlikely that the Fulton saw came with the Stanley Mitre Box as Disston were the supplier of these. The Mitre Box was made 1904-1909 roughly. So now we have an orphan saw needing some pedigree. Given the timeline provided by Ray would this mean that George's saw is pre 1895?

prozac

Youse guys is up way past yur bedtime! Whoops! Wifely unit sez youse guys gotta different clock there than we does here.

Thank you all for an excellent line of response. I don't believe I have ever joined a group where there was so much immediate response to a question posed. You guys are super.

I am going to edit some images I took and send some more information just as soon as I can get it going. Prozac? Hmmmmmmmm? Me, I take fluoxetine myself which is US generic prozac.

George (Sourdough) Lowe

I have uploaded the images to my Facebook which, hopefully, you can get to at http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1428726072 I asked a friend where I could put the pictures so you could see them and he suggested Facebook and then promptly went back to sleep. Guess I shouldn't have phoned at 10:30 PM.
The saw is, at the tooth edge, just over 65 cm long (and you have no idea how hard it is to find something that measures centimeters in this backward Yankee country) and the top from the front back to the rear top point of the handle is just under 85 cm. That is unless you all are as "backward" as us Yanks in which case it's 26 and 32 inches respectively. Sorry for any bad photography and I haven't tried any restoration on this. Guess I will have to get some tips from Mr. Woodlee, eh?
Thanks again y'all.

George Lowe

G'day George. That facebook link doesn't work.

Posting a photo onto your reply is pretty easy. Below the "Reply to Thread" box where I am typing now is another box titled "Additional Options". In the middle of this box is a button called "Manage Attachments". Click on this and a new window opens with 6 or so address boxes shown. Hit the Browse tab and choose the photo from your files. Now hit the button that says "Upload". If you receive a message back that says the photo could not be uploaded because it is too large then you need to resize it to something smaller (jpeg) and try again.

The name? Well it is one of those handles that once given ends up sticking.

prozac

G'day, George. The Facebook link works for me, but requires registration and login for access to pictures. A similar restriction applies on some other websites, e.g. SawMill Creek the last time I checked, and on this site itself for a while back.

Outside links can become unreliable over time. Better to upload directly from your computer for integrity. There's a limit of about 100Kb, which you can achieve with image-editing software; but the simplest is probably via a free service online: http://sitereportcard.com/imagereducer.php
Browse your computer for the upload file, and save appropriate candidates for download. Best to rename the downloaded files for later upload to here.

I keep two clocks near my computer: One set for my local time, and the other for Melbourne Oz. I think you'd be about 17 hours behind, with an additional wobble either way for Daylight Saving; we're on it, Oz isn't, for now.

Alaska, eh? One of my best years of "migrant worker" days was most of 1985 in Anchorage: The Eklutna Water Project, and some basement repairs at the library and police station in Valdez.

Cheers,
Joe

Originally Posted by prozac

...Given the timeline provided by Ray would this mean that George's saw is pre 1895?

Hi Prozac,

Unless the saw has split nuts, it is unlikely to be before 1888 or a touch later which is when the Glover patent came about and began to be used. None of the Fulton saws I have seen have split nuts, though from Erv's book it is certainly possible someone will find or already have one out there.

I only have a couple Fulton saws. All of which are large tenon saws, but not intended for use in a miter box (not big enough). So viewable pictures would be cool (but I won't register with Facebook).

Sears had a habit of combining things from various manufacturers. The saws well could have been added to the Stanley miter box by Sears--they did own a saw company. Sears also sold Stanley items, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that Sears bought the Stanley miter boxes and loaded them with their own saws.

One means to resolve whether Sears did such a thing is to look through reprints of Sears catalogs--which I no longer own. Made great out house reading, though...

Anyway, one of those catalog reprints may well advertise the Stanley boxes as a seperate item, the saws and or the box and the Fulton saws together.

Take care, Mike

Originally Posted by MikeW

Hi Prozac,

Unless the saw has split nuts, it is unlikely to be before 1888 or a touch later which is when the Glover patent came about and began to be used. None of the Fulton saws I have seen have split nuts, though from Erv's book it is certainly possible someone will find or already have one out there.

Take care, Mike

Hi Mike,

Yes, good point.

I don't know what sort of screws it has, and likewise I am not interested in registering at facebook, perhaps Joe or someone can download the pictures and repost here.

Regards
Ray