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27th January 2013, 07:16 PM #1Member
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Is it a genuine Woodcock Sheffield chisel?
Hi,
I picked this chisel up today. I did not anything about it, except I like the handle and how it looks in general:
Front
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Maker Logo
Is it a genuine Woodcock Sheffield chisel?
I could see that the edge was not straight, and one of the corner is not square. But the handle is very sturdy, there is no movement.
I have never restored any chisel before. I just ran the edge against a file to get it as straight as possible.
Using the Veritas MkII guide, and a 300 grit King waterstone, I changed the primary bevel to 25 degree. Then I put it through 800, 1200, 8000 grit also King watersone. I do not have a secondary bevel on it. There were a lot of burs by the 300, 800 and 1200 grits.
The edge is still not straight, and one corner is still not square -- but I could cut through paper with the edge.
Thank you for reading.
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28th January 2013, 10:50 AM #2
behai,
It looks to be the real thing. Sheffield steel of that vintage is really good so you have a fine chisel there. The handle may or may not be original but no big deal as chisels often get re handled.
Sharpening a chisel - YouTube
Chisel Sharpening - YouTube
A couple of chisel sharpening videos to look at.
Regards
John
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28th January 2013, 12:39 PM #3Jim
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I doubt that there is much money to be gained from faking Woodcock chisels. Good steel, good chisels, enjoy.
Cheers,
Jim
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28th January 2013, 01:01 PM #4
I agree with John and Jim,
Woodcocks are wonderful and will serve you very well.
Here is my collection - mostly Woodcocks with a smattering of Marples and a Mathieson.
The circled chisel has its original Woodcock handle - the others have been re-done of course.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
SG
Woodcocks.jpg.... some old things are lovely
Warm still with the life of forgotten men who made them ........................D.H. Lawrence
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28th January 2013, 02:04 PM #5Jim
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Nice collection SG. There's something special about octagonal box handles.
Cheers,
Jim
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28th January 2013, 02:59 PM #6
Thanks Jim.
I have always liked the look of London pattern handles, and fitted them to these chisels.
Unfortunately, I haven't found them to be as comfortable to use - in the hand so to speak - as I thought they would be.
The original Woodcock chisel handle is much easier on the hand and more comfortable in use.
They do look good on a chisel rack - haha
Cheers
SG.... some old things are lovely
Warm still with the life of forgotten men who made them ........................D.H. Lawrence
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28th January 2013, 04:05 PM #7Jim
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SG, keep using them for 50 years or so and the edges will round over nicely.
Cheers,
Jim
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28th January 2013, 04:10 PM #8.... some old things are lovely
Warm still with the life of forgotten men who made them ........................D.H. Lawrence
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28th January 2013, 10:09 PM #9Member
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Good evening John,
Thank you for the info and the video.
I have used it on the ends of some recycle decking board today, just to slice a little bit off, the edge still seems whole. While my Stanley FatFax from Bunnings, also at 25 degree, shows some tiny fractures near corners.
This is time first time I saw an vintage chisel in real life -- The shape looks really good too. I am happy with the handle, I will use it for parring so I think it is going to last for a very long time
Best regards,
...behai.
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28th January 2013, 10:10 PM #10Member
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28th January 2013, 10:14 PM #11Member
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29th January 2013, 08:11 AM #12
Hello Behai,
the London Pattern handles are actually eight sided, and are really not a suitable design for my hand for paring chisels. I find them uncomfortable when hand paring and they seem more suited to striking. Strangely the design has no top hoop to prevent splitting.
Actually, of all of these chisels, the most comfortable of all is the last one - the Mathieson.
If I was to do these again, and I might yet one day, I would change them all to this pattern.
The only good thing - apart from their looks - about London pattern, is that they don't roll off the bench.
Cheers
SG.... some old things are lovely
Warm still with the life of forgotten men who made them ........................D.H. Lawrence
https://thevillagewoodworker.blogspot.com/
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29th January 2013, 11:53 AM #13
Hi Behai,
Glad to hear you are enjoying that old chisel. I think maybe we have another convert.
If you can scrub off rust and sharpen a chisel then there is a treasure trove waiting out there for you to grab at very reasonable cost. I would also argue they are as good as or better than anything made today. Space age steels and bling cant compare with something thar has been doing a great job for many generations and will continue for many more given a chance.
Over the years I have picked up rusty oldies and made then work. Some needed new handles so you may have to try your hand at that one day if you go down this path. They are my reach for workers and with the sence of history attached I have to admit it feels nice to work with them. I treated myself to a boxed set of nice shiney Two Cherries beveled edge chisels about 2 years ago and while they are very good steel and hold an edge well they tend to mostly live in the box.
I am not saying the oldies do a better job but I feel better using them.
If you look for English,Sweedish even Dutch German and American steel then chances are it is good. Titans made here in Oz are also very good. Anyhow some pics of my rescued chisels. The old Matheson is my stand out favourite and perhaps the oldest one I have.
Regards
John
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30th January 2013, 07:41 PM #14SENIOR MEMBER
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the company started out as James Woodcock back in 1860, and a few company name and location changes and relationships in between then and 1957. there is a bit of a history in the book "the cutting edge" and possibly some online resources in the UK.
I understand that in 1939 the company changed its name to F. Woodcock and sons. The company most likely continued until around 1957. POssibly your chisel is prewar. Post war there was a 'tool drought' for quite a few years which generated a lot of local Australian manufacturing. Handle looks a bit shortened but still functional.
Cheers
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