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19th October 2018, 03:32 PM #1GOLD MEMBER
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Hand Mitre Saw
I need one for cutting small section moldings and trims. Been looking at the Baladonia from Timbercon but i need to know that it cuts perfect and that i don't have to trim with a chisel.
Does anyone have one of these that can comment? or can steer me to a brand or model they know is good.
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19th October 2018, 04:48 PM #2GOLD MEMBER
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One of those guillotines that picture framers use?
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19th October 2018, 10:28 PM #3China
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As said above to achieve a hi quality result use in conjunction with a mitre guillotine such as this https://www.timbecon.com.au/joinery/...-mitre-trimmer
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20th October 2018, 06:38 PM #4GOLD MEMBER
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Thanks, but $375!! i'll just keep cutting them by hand.
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20th October 2018, 08:32 PM #5
That Baladonia one is PLASTIC! Straight away that screams “NO!” at me.
I bought a generic cheap German one about 25 years ago, it actually cut quite well providing that at no point did you put any additional downward pressure on the saw. Just push and pull the saw and let the blade do the cutting under its own weight. But that one was made from die-cast alloy and when mounted on a decent hardwood base was very sturdy.
But, what sort of finish are you expecting? No hand mitre saw will ever give you a finish that can bear close scrutiny like a picture frame. Stuff like skirting boards or picture rails are fine because they’re usually painted but a crown moulding on a cabinet would look awfull if you tried to use hand sawn mitres.
Old timey joiners and cabinet makers would use a simple mitre box and a hand saw to get the rough size but they’d finish off shooting the mitre with a plane and a shooting board to get crisp clean perfect joints. A mitre box and a mitre shooting board can be made from scrap, a cheap backsaw can be had for $20 and any hand plane can be tuned to work as a shooter; even a rusted out old POS you can pick up for $10.Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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2nd November 2018, 06:31 PM #6SENIOR MEMBER
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I've always had good results from a Nobex for architectural modelling: Proman for the small stuff up to small picture frame size, & Champion for wider/taller skirtings, archs & the like. It also does a mean compound miter in wider mouldings too. You can go from fine to course toothing as required.
Otherwise, for the really small stuff & "normal" 45 degree mitering only, one of those old cast iron Record Marples clamped miter guides takes a bit of beating for its speed & simplicity. Use a tenon saw as fine as you wish in one of these.
I think it really depends just how anal you wish to be about micro-scores in your (otherwise obscured) meeting faces.Sycophant to nobody!
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2nd November 2018, 07:23 PM #7GOLD MEMBER
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Hi double.d. These mitre boxes look like a Taiwanese plastic copy of the Nobex mentioned by Ratbag.
I see that Carbatec are selling the exact same model and also sell the Nobex.
As you are based in Brisbane, might be worth travelling to the Carbatec showroom with some sample mouldings and try them out.
Nobex saws do come up for sale on Gumtree and garage sales pretty regularly if you feel that it is worth waiting for a bargain.
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3rd November 2018, 07:55 PM #8SENIOR MEMBER
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You wanted pix.....
https://www.artandframing.com.au/pro...110-mitre-saw/
https://www.justtools.com.au/nobex-c...itre-saw-80804
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_o...utter&_sacat=0
The Marples 6809 looks to be the most versatile model they make, but the Nobex Proman is probably the connoisseur's choice.
Of course, there's also those Oreguil & Morso Miter-slicers. If you're (extremely) lucky, you might even pick up one of those miter guillotine slicer accessory attachments for that magnificent old Record Power DMS26 cast iron drill stand, that also had a remarkably effective hollow chisel morticer accessory too. A proper one, not one of those stupid "toy" ones they make for those cheap-'n-nasty pillar drills. This one's a proper, old-school genuine Sheffield grey iron cast drill stand (for your portable drill) that must weigh 50 lb or more!
It's all in the serendipitous confluence of the mass & stability of quality iron castings, purchase & leverage of low-geared rack & pinion carriage linkages, and precision Sheffield Parkway works manufacture.
Unfortunately it seems that only I actually think it was a good thing, as here's absolutely no photographs or interweb references available anywhere!Sycophant to nobody!
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5th November 2018, 07:38 AM #9
double.d
I was not really familiar with these Nobex style saws except that it was the name that confused me. I in fact knew the style. So, if you are considering that style, why not look at the "original" cast steel mitre boxes made by the likes of Stanley, Langdon etc.. A quick search on US Ebay will show the many types and brands available. There are two catches with this. They may be expensive and you will have to find something in Oz as they are too heavy to ship from the US. The mitre saws used in these devices are not too hard to find.
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PaulBushmiller;
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5th November 2018, 09:26 PM #10
Have a look at Paul Sellers vidios. Make yourself a shooting board. perfect miters every time.
I am learning, slowley.
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8th November 2018, 08:50 PM #11
jazzy69
This is what I had in mind. Sorry about the strange views. The boxes are stuck up high in the back of my shipping container and it was late at night too. A couple of Stanleys of which the second has been restored:
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This next one is a dedicated picture framer:
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and this is a slightly cheaper style Stanley:
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Regards
PaulBushmiller;
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11th November 2018, 08:42 AM #12
Some pix from catalogues:
Goodell-Pratt Mitre box.jpgStanley 1910 catalogue mitre box.jpgStanley Mitre Boxes 1957.jpgStanley-Marsh Picture Frame Tools.pngAntique-Cast-Iron-HC-Marsh-Miter-Saw-Frame.jpg
Click on the images for larger pixand to read the detail. The largest of the Goodell-Pratt boxes weighed 26lbs so you can see they were substantially made. The first Stanley pic is 1910 and the second 1957. The Stanley Marsh device was a dedicated picture framer but clearly could be used for narrow mouldings too.
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PaulBushmiller;
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11th November 2018, 10:17 PM #13
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