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23rd June 2021, 08:48 PM #1Novice
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Needing Help with Stanley No4 Plane
I purchased a Stanley No4 Made in England on eBay about 9 Months ago. It was pristine in original box. When received I checked it dismantled it and cleaned it. All seemed good and I was impressed.
Since then it has sat in its box as I was away and moving house etc. Soon to set up a new workshop so I took it out of its box to test and sharpen.
However The Brass Adjusting Nut was locked solid. I thought I had checked it months earlier, but now doubts set in?
After great effort I got the nut moving but instead of following the thread up the whole mechanism thread and Brass Nut unscrewed from the Frog. The thread is damaged and the thread seems damaged within the frog.
I enclose a diagram of the no4 plane so my terminology of parts relates.
Any advice would be appreciated?
Do I start all over and get another or can members supply the relevant parts at sensible prices?
Do I need a new Frog?
or just get a new Brass Adjustment Nut and Thread?
Appreciate any advice.
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24th June 2021, 06:15 PM #2
A couple of things spring to mind. If your plane is a more recent model, the 'wheel' may be ferrous metal, not brass as on the planes of last century, so the seized thread could be simply due to corrosion. A good dose of your favourite solution for loosening stuck threads should be all you need.
If the adjuster wheel is brass, corrosion shouldn't be the issue, it's more likely the thread on the stud has incurred some minor damage, which is an occasional problem, especially if someone has used pliers or multi-grips to tighten the stud in the frog. Minor damage is usually pretty easy to fix. All you need to do is tidy up any damaged thread on the stud. The typical way to do this is to run it through a die nut. Unfortunately, the thread of the stud that the adjuster wheel runs on is both non-"standard", and a left-hand thread to boot, i.e. it runs the opposite way to a typical thread, so the dies are both rare & costly.
The next best bet is to use a thread-file, but they aren't cheap & it would be silly to buy one to fix a single stud, so the alternative I'd turn to is to (very) carefully clean the damaged area with a needle file. The angle of a 3-square needle file won't match the thread angle exactly, but it's usually just the tips of the thread lands that are burred, & all it takes is a gentle swipe or two of the file to get rid of the burr.
To unscrew the seized wheel, hold the stud in a vise fitted with either aluminium or wooden jaws so you don't create more damage, and screw the wheel off after you have removed any damage in the direction you want to move it.
Cheers,IW
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26th June 2021, 03:41 PM #3Novice
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Mostly fixed
Many thanks for your support and advice Ian.
I decided to go to our local Men Shed in Toronto NSW.
They were very helpful and with wisdom and the right tools they loosened the Adjustment wheel and cleaned the thread both on the main thread holding the adjuster wheel and within the frog.
I am going to replace the adjustment wheel and thread with the assistance of Scribbly Gum
There is still slight damaged to the thread in the frog and only time will tell if it holds up once reassembled and in use.
Thanks again and I will keep you up to date.
Michael
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26th June 2021, 05:20 PM #4
Looks like you're in very good hands & well on your way to a functioning plane.....
Cheers,IW
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26th June 2021, 05:33 PM #5
Just an update Michael - I have a wheel adjuster that fits Stanley, but the threaded rods/posts are from other planes it seems. They are definitely not Stanley - some are too thick, others too narrow and others have a different thread.
So it's wheel only I'm sorry to say.
Tom.... some old things are lovely
Warm still with the life of forgotten men who made them ........................D.H. Lawrence
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28th June 2021, 01:31 PM #6Novice
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That's alright Tom I appreciate all your help.
Michael
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29th June 2021, 01:31 PM #7.... some old things are lovely
Warm still with the life of forgotten men who made them ........................D.H. Lawrence
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