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    Entering a job on the lowest wrung, you've got to be prepared to bide your time. Watch and learn. Do it their way even if you think its wrong. (Unle3ss you notice that they might kill themselves. They might have reasons you don't know about!


    When I had first started in ceramics an older experienced potter told my that it wiould take 10 years to got to know what you are doing. Being young and cocky I thought (B^%%#* off! I'm a genius! I can do it quicker!" But when It finally dawned on me that I might nearly know what the hell I was doing it was more than 10 years later! :dunce: Trouble is when you start something you have no way of knowing what you don't knwo yat! If you knwo what I mean!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tea lady View Post
    Entering a job on the lowest wrung, you've got to be prepared to bide your time. Watch and learn. Do it their way even if you think its wrong. (Unle3ss you notice that they might kill themselves. They might have reasons you don't know about!


    When I had first started in ceramics an older experienced potter told my that it wiould take 10 years to got to know what you are doing. Being young and cocky I thought (B^%%#* off! I'm a genius! I can do it quicker!" But when It finally dawned on me that I might nearly know what the hell I was doing it was more than 10 years later! :dunce: Trouble is when you start something you have no way of knowing what you don't knwo yat! If you knwo what I mean!
    I think the following is called "The four stages of consciousness".....

    1. UNCONSCIOUS INCOMPETANCE
    2. CONSCIOUS INCOMPETANCE
    3. CONSCIOUS COMPETANCE
    4. UNCONSCIOUS COMPETANCE

    Like you said, amazing how much you don't know what you don't know sometimes..

    Cheers and beers

    Muzz

    P.S. Luckduck, good luck, make sure you let us know how you go, there are obviously quite a few people behind you on this, all showing our concern and support in our own special way

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckduck32167 View Post
    this place makes fine furniture. I'm not gonna bring ne of my projects from tafe but ill record one on my phone. Should i bring along my fine woodworking tools like my plane, chisel and stones? would that b considered weird doing that? The boss says adult wages might b a problem but it seems every place i try says that too. It's only 330 a week, how they cant afford that? Ur thoughts people?
    have you been to the interview?
    how did the interview go?
    did you score the job?

    we are curious to know
    regards from Alberta, Canada

    ian

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    Just a few thoughts from an HR / Recruitment perspective...

    Firstly I have hired hundreds of people over the years for mining, construction, plant maintenance, offshore and workshops as well as whites collar and apprentices so I like to think I know a thing or two about how to get through an interview process.

    Firstly the only people that can afford to be a little cocky are the guys with lots of experience in trades or occupations that are scarce as hens teeth, one area that comes to mind are the off-shore guys especially the electricians and instrument guys. these guys are confident (cocky sometimes but not always) because they know I am chasing them to work for me and that they can pick and choose who to work for... at least here in Perth.

    Apprenticeships however are a different kettle of fish we don't chase Apprentices they apply and come to us, a subtle but huge difference.

    The company I work for hires alot of apprentices mostly electrical but also workshop (fabrication), and The number one thing we look for is a good attitude full stop.

    We then consider things like work ethic, punctuality, general health and intelligence etc....

    The last thing we look for is experience unless we are looking at a mature age apprentice, as most kids aged 15-17 don't have much experience and flipping burgers doesn't really count.

    The whole point of an apprenticeship is that we are going to train the person to do a job so we actually prefer a blank canvas... to a point. hopefully with good hand eye co-ordination and above average intelligence

    My suggestions as to how to prepare for your interview are as follows
    • research the company so that you know what they do and don't do.
    • make sure your CV contains info relevant to the job and shows what you did in your last job / training not just who you worked for.
    • turn up on time, dress appropriately and be polite.
    • Really listen carefully and think about your answers, some practice before hand can be beneficial for some people
    • try and relax and answer their questions honestly.

      I cannot stress how important attitude is in an interview, and while on the job. remember getting the job is only the start.

      Hope this wasn't too negative just my 2 cents worth.

      Steve




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    Luckduck,

    How did you go?

    Cheers and beers,

    Muzz

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