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26th March 2018, 04:25 PM #91GOLD MEMBER
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Ian, yeah, ever since you mentioned the #2 even that has run through my head lol. I think that over the long-term a #3, #4, #5, #6, #8 and low angle smoother, jack and jointer should cover it for bench planes (not joinery planes mind). I like using the low angle jack with a low angle iron for end grain and so would leave it setup like that, with the #5 taking over duties as a mid size general jack plane.
In reality I'll probably go through the same process as a lot of people and after realising I don't need or even want too many planes I'll downsize in the end - but I'll end up with exactly what I know I like... and crippling credit card debt of course.
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26th March 2018, 04:55 PM #92regards from Alberta, Canada
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26th March 2018, 04:56 PM #93Deceased
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Gents; there are some major mental health issues I have to deal with on a daily basis. What those issues are is not for the public domain. For those that were kind enough to post those fantastic emojis. Much appreciated.
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26th March 2018, 04:59 PM #94GOLD MEMBER
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27th March 2018, 03:28 AM #96Innovations are those useful things that, by dint of chance, manage to survive the stupidity and destructive tendencies inherent in human nature.
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27th March 2018, 04:30 AM #97SENIOR MEMBER
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27th March 2018, 04:32 AM #98GOLD MEMBER
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I am somewhat envious! I'd envisioned getting some pins and tails cut in metal this weekend, but the neighborhood association asked if I would make a "little free library" out of wet exterior plywood (but I did cut the dadoes in it with a dado plane and a router plane, because I don't know how else to do it!!).
The shavings in the middle picture appear to be cross grain but on narrow material. Puzzling at first!
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27th March 2018, 05:04 AM #99GOLD MEMBER
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From one person with a short attention span and perhaps the fixation on bizarre things that goes with it...to another: There's nothing really to learn with a high angle plane other than sharpening it and using it. If you really love it for smoothing work, especially on hard woods, you can go back to it at any time. It will quickly teach you what you don't want to do with it, though, that you'd much rather do with common pitch and a cap iron.
That's really all I'm advocating, is that people try both with something to accomplish in mind.
Be it 15 board feet of curly cherry that needs to be dimensioned to spec, etc, or something else. If you want to skip the task and stick with machine planing, that's certainly fine. Especially if the wood gets into the high hardness range with no predominant grain direction (it will always be resistant no matter what direction you go - tearout isn't so much of an issue, but the planing resistance can be).
As far as the consistent shavings go, if you have the ability to plane downhill, you should get them any way with any thickness. When lumber quality drops a little and there is no end to end planing stroke that will allow that with more than a trivially thin shaving, then relying on the cap iron to keep the shaving together is actually a *good* thing. There is no magic to learn in that case where you're forgoing the cap iron - you want to use it that way. There's a discussion going on another forum where someone is discussing dimensioning by hand, and the initial difficulty. A well accomplished professional user was describing the last part of dimensioning to a given spec (which is making the parallel opposite face and planing to thickness). On that step, you want predictability, and speed will come to the point that it's physically available (at some point, you can't get a whole lot more efficient removing a given volume of wood without plugging something in or working it green, etc). Everything has to hit at the same time (you need to hit the mark with consistent through shavings and not have a subpar surface left behind, because that requires you to go past the mark to fix it).
But no worries on using a high angle plane, there's no real nuance to it other than keeping it sharp and not getting too aggressive setting the depth. (I find them quite pleasant, by the way, as long as I'm not trying to get something specific done - in the world of planes to use to put a narrow stick on your bench and just get into that "zzzzzzzzzzzzzz..." kind of mind idling where you take one shaving after another...well, they do that quite well. And that's exactly how they're sold over here. The more weight and the more agreeable the wood, the better they feel).
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27th March 2018, 05:15 AM #100GOLD MEMBER
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Do what you need to take care of it. Derek's extension of an olive branch is perhaps one of the best ways to make a stride in the right direction, even though the thought of that might cause your brain to send you into a thinking trap.
I have struggled with some of the same, although I'm sure that none of us has the exact same trials as another.
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27th March 2018, 09:28 AM #102Senior Member
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Likes for both DW's posts. The iPad doesn't seem to be doing that today.
Thanks for the answers DW. Makes sense. I just thought of something- I was having trouble sharpening square but Mr. Brush gave me a hand to fettle the guide. I haven't done much planing since then and it may be that will help a lot. *Btw, John I tried to send you a message a couple of times and your inbox was full.
As to the cutting angle aspect: I don't think I will ever own a new plane and for the foreseeable future I will be learning to use what I have already. I wanted to make sure I had the basic principles correct. For me it is the way to learn.
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27th March 2018, 09:38 AM #103
good to see a sense of light heartedness returning
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27th March 2018, 11:48 AM #104GOLD MEMBER
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Yeah the shavings were from cutting some breadboard tenons on the stock for the shavehorse seat - so crossgrain and narrow as you deduced.
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Cheers, Dom
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28th March 2018, 12:13 AM #105GOLD MEMBER
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They look wonderful. You don't often see crossgrain shavings with some heft on forums. We usually see "hobby piles" at the ends or feet of benches, pretty much on every forum (states, UK and here).
Once you get the plane loaded, it's the same feeling I recall as a kid as when you get a baler running on windrows that are just about as much as it can feed, or getting a lawnmower into thick grass, but not so thick that it bogs.
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