Thread: LN #9 Bronze mitre plane

Andy, this may help.

LIE NIELSEN #9 BRONZE MITER PLANE EARLY MODEL RARE!!

Thanks Greg, that's the only info I could find on the plane. I even emailed LN and they gave me the info that they stopped making them because it was such a large casting in bronze and the rate of casting defects (the larger the casting, the more likely Bronze is to show flaws) made them impractical to produce.

Can anyone find out the price of the one in the link that Groggy posted? I've been trying over the last day but the Internet where I currently am plays up at times and doesn't allow me to open/sign up to some sites.

Thanks,
Andy

Gawd Andy, you really want the bronze planes!

If you balked at the $1000+ of the LN #4 1/2, then how do you react when I say that the bronze #9 would be in excess of $2500? It would cost about the same to purchase a custom mitre plane in bronze and steel from one of several custom plane makers.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Andy

Get Wayne Anderson to make you one

This was my 50th birthday present from the family

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Gawd Andy, you really want the bronze planes!

If you balked at the $1000+ of the LN #4 1/2, then how do you react when I say that the bronze #9 would be in excess of $2500? It would cost about the same to purchase a custom mitre plane in bronze and steel from one of several custom plane makers.

Regards from Perth

Derek

So I guess the $500 that the guy wants for his bronze #9 is a good deal then? I've seen the photos and it looks in great condition (unused) for a 15 year old plane. I wasn't even looking for one but a guy offered to sell his 4 1/2 Anniversary smoother and mentioned he had a LN #9 bronze mitre plane for sale.

How reliable is your $2500 estimate?

Regards,
Andy

Originally Posted by ian

Andy

Get Wayne Anderson to make you one

This was my 50th birthday present from the family

Ian your a lucky man! Have you used it yet?

I'd still love to see some pics of your plane collection.

Andy

Andy

That is my estimate for eBay. They do not come up often. Do not rely on us for estimates. A plane is worth as much as anyone will offer .. and someone will pay.

An iron #9 sells for about $500. A bronze one, in new condition or never used, that is no longer made, and will never be made again, and in short supply ...

Regards from Perth

Derek

Andy, if you pass it up PLEASE let me know! :beg:

Originally Posted by Groggy

Andy, if you pass it up PLEASE let me know! :beg:

Will do mate


Derek- have you actually seen these go for $2500 on eBay?


Andy

The last one Stuart from The Toolexchange had, sold for $750.00 so a realistic price in the current market would be between $750 and $1000.00.

May I suggest, if you buy it to put back on the market, throw it on E-Bay with a starting bid of $750.00 and see what happens. You could then buy a new #9 and a blocky.

If it was gold plated and came with a vile ot Thomas's DNA it might get close to
$2500.00


Regards,


Frank.

Hi Andy

If you want to get estimates on a bronze #9, ask the WoodNet forum (USA) ..

WoodNet Forums: Viewing forum: Woodworking Hand Tools

Prepare to be shocked.

The thing about these planes is that it just takes two bidders with too much testosterone on eBay to send the price sky high. This occurs. And then a precedent is set.

Regards from Perth

Derek

I'm now the proud owner of an LN Annivrsary smoother. I only ever intended to buy this as a reward to myself for achieving something I set out to do years ago. However the guy had a LN bronze #9 that was too good of a deal to pass up, so I now own two bronze LN's. Some people may look at these planes as collectables and wouldn't use them, however I see them as just tools and the first thing I'll be doing when I get them is sharpen the irons and put them to work.

The only thing is I'll have to wait until the end of the year when I get back from overseas to use them.

Andy

I have a question for you Derek:
After reading your review of the LN #51 V LN #9 V LAJ I noticed you did not mention what angle you honed the #9 at. Given it has a bed angle of 20° and a primary bevel of 25°, if you honed a secondary at say 30° you will get a cutting angle of 50° (being a bevel up plane). Iv'e always thought that you didn't want to go higher than 45° on a shooting board ?

Would you recommend just honing the primary bevel, and not puting a secondary bevel on the iron? Or perhaps just add 1 or 2 degrees as a seconary?

Thanks,
Andy

Hi Andy

The #9 was on loan to me from LN, and I retained the factory settings. In other words, a secondary 30 degree bevel. With a BU plane on a bed of 20 degrees, this adds up the a cutting angle of 50 degrees. Not a big deal. The #51 has a cutting angle of 45 degrees. I used to use a HNT Gordon Trying Plane with a cutting angle of 60 degrees. They all work well with a sharp blade. However a lower angle is preferred, which is what helped the LV LA Jack close up the gap (37 degrees).

If you want the absolute lowest angle on the #9, then you need to get a blade that is not made from A2 steel. A2 benefits from a 30 degree bevel. I have found this to be more so with LN steel than with LV steel. The latter seem happier at 25 degrees (which I use on their LA Jack).

Off the top of my head I cannot say if LN has O1 steel as a replacement (that would be a good option for 25 degrees), or whether LV offer an aftermarket blade to fit (in which case hang about for the PM-VII version, which will be worth the extra).

Regards from Perth

Derek