LN are tapering (or canting?)...

**IanW** · 19th March 2013, 11:10 AM

So Lie-Nielsen are getting with the fashion & canting their saw blades, only they call it 'tapering', which I find a bit confusing. When I read the blurb in the newsletter I first imagined a tapered blade as per the big full-sized Distons & their ilk. It has been suggested that a good word for this sort of taper is 'cant', which would reduce the confusion....

While I like canted backsaws, it's more for the aesthetic appeal than for any perceived improvement in control of the saw, but they make this bold claim:

"....This taper gives you better control over precise cuts. When you reach the gauge line on the front of your stock, the blade is slightly above the line on the back side, which reduces the risk of sawing past your line. In addition, the taper introduces an angled approach to your stock (when holding the saw back parallel to the bench), enabling faster cuts with less effort....."

Hmm, not sure I'm entirely convinced - I'd like a fuller explantion of how a canted blade causes you to hold the tooth line square to the board! To me, they are missing what really makes a small dovetail saw more 'controllable' and that is to drop the grip angle to a much more upright inclination than the one on the L-N DT saw. I guess the illustration of their saw in use (on the web page), shows a bloke cutting away at some dovetails at near bench height. In this case a high angled grip would be more comfy to hold, but this old git would barely be able to see the board down there, let alone a line to follow!

Cheers,

**jimbur** · 20th March 2013, 10:11 AM

It seems to be an excessive reaction to a 'problem' or is it just an excessive advertising creation. It opens the way for dozens of saw design tweaks in the same way golf club manufacturers cater for people looking for the perfect putter.

**IanW** · 20th March 2013, 12:43 PM

Jim, I think it's more likely a bit of sales hype, too. But they are just continuing a long tradition of sawmakers - after all, Henry Disston was at last as good a salesman as he was a sawmaker.....

Cheers,

**jimbur** · 20th March 2013, 12:57 PM

Looking for that edge over the competitors

**Berlin** · 20th March 2013, 03:42 PM

The next logical step is to cant the back

**NCArcher** · 20th March 2013, 05:31 PM

You're wrong there Berlin. Laser guided is the future of hand saws.

Stick with me, we'll be rich.

**IanW** · 20th March 2013, 06:15 PM

I just cant get too excited about it all, I'm afraid.....

**jimbur** · 20th March 2013, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by NCArcher

You're wrong there Berlin. Laser guided is the future of hand saws.

Stick with me, we'll be rich.

That's just the start. Electrified handle to give shocks whenever the user veers off-line.

Or perhaps for the softies out there, audible warnings.

**Mr Brush** · 20th March 2013, 06:35 PM

That LN saw is sooooo last year - I thought everyone already had one of these

JS-7 Back Saw - Bridge City Tool Works

Check the video of it in use....

**IanW** · 20th March 2013, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Brush

That LN saw is sooooo last year - I thought everyone already had one of these

Thanks Mr. B. - I hadn't seen it before - don't follow Bridge City much, as they're usually well out of my price-range. Actually, it's not such a bad idea, combining a spine & depth stop like this. I have to admit, a depth stop would be handy at times, on those woods where I struggle to see my scribe lines. I hate over-cutting, it looks so sloppy, but my eyesight just isn't what it uster be, & sometimes I end up stopping just a bit past where I meant to.

So I certainly wouldn't laugh at anyone who uses this saw.....

But electric shocks for veering off line?

I suppose it would make me pay attention!

Cheers,

**Berlin** · 21st March 2013, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by NCArcher

You're wrong there Berlin. Laser guided is the future of hand saws.

Stick with me, we'll be rich.

I'm with you cap. You're an ideas man. I'll get started on a powerpoint presentation to pitch for some venture capital.

**Berlin** · 21st March 2013, 12:20 AM

Yep, you can't argue against adding lasers to anything.

http://m.aliexpress.com/item/495609542.html

**TobyC** · 21st March 2013, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by Berlin

The next logical step is to cant the back

Look at the images from Joseph Smith's 'Key to the Various Manufactories of Sheffield', the backs in the images are "canted".

British_saw_print.jpg

Toby

**lightwood** · 21st March 2013, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Mr Brush

That LN saw is sooooo last year - I thought everyone already had one of these

JS-7 Back Saw - Bridge City Tool Works

Check the video of it in use....

Mr Brush
So LAST CENTURY....no, the one before that!!!!!

Patent US607107 - FREDERICK WUEST - Google Patents

Regards,
Peter

**Berlin** · 21st March 2013, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by TobyC

Look at the images from Joseph Smith's 'Key to the Various Manufactories of Sheffield', the backs in the images are "canted".

British_saw_print.jpg

Toby

They're catching up to the past in a hurry. I wonder whether they used the same hyperbole to sell them?

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