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27th March 2023, 10:35 AM #16
Picko
Just to demonstrate my liking for the E.C. Atkins Perfection handle, this is a Sandvik saw from 1981 and arguably the best modern manufacturer of saws around that time, if you can call 42 years ago at the time of writing modern.
The handle was this plastic monstrosity;
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I say monstrous, because you could nearly fit two hands into the grip!
Now fitted with a "perfection" handle.
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Timber is Forest Red Gum. A long way from being an easy timber to work, but I like it and it is a timber I have:
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In truth, almost any hardwood can be suitable for a saw handle. If you select for figure, chose something with a small pattern as anything large is lost on something as small as a saw handle. It was Ian who emphasised that to me.
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PaulLast edited by Bushmiller; 27th March 2023 at 12:52 PM. Reason: spelling
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27th March 2023, 10:42 AM #17SENIOR MEMBER
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Thanks Paul for all that info.
I was thinking I might need to make a new one but was going to make that decision after I removed it. I have a perfectly good panel saw (a Sandvik I bought around 1972) so I'm in no hurry. The other reason I'm in no hurry is that I've only ever made one saw handle and I must say I'm not proud of the result. If I work up enough courage I might take a pic of it later and you'll see why I'm scarred.
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27th March 2023, 10:50 AM #18SENIOR MEMBER
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Ha, you posted while I was rambling on and that lovely red retro handle looks very familiar.
So now you’re saying I’ve got two handles to make.
I must say your replacement does look much better, nice work!
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27th March 2023, 01:16 PM #19
Picko
I should have asked more questions. Such as whether it is a straight back or a skewback, etch present (Atkins etches are notoriously faint and short lived) nasty hang hole in the saw plate etc.?
This pic is taken from a 1959 catalogue under the Borg Warner ownership and seems a little like your saw:
Atkins No.65 Borg Warner 1959.jpg
Note the style of wheat carving. If it is the same saw or similar you could use this depiction to gauge how the horns would have looked. Another thing that I should have mentioned is that as the length of the saw reduces (to become a panel saw) it was quite normal for a smaller handle to be attached. They were normally the same style : Just scaled down and smaller and as I mentioned with one less saw screw.
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Paul
Edit: Your saw was at the top end with only the No.400 being more expensive (and maybe the No.500 too, which was made in SS, but I don't know much about that) . The nickel plated saw screws are another giveaway of quality.Bushmiller;
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27th March 2023, 02:43 PM #20SENIOR MEMBER
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Thanks again Paul. I just sneaked down to the shed and took the handle off (one of the advantages of working from home). Under the dark stain the handle looks like apple.
The saw has a curved back and I can't find an etch but I haven't tried to clean the plate yet. It has 22" of teeth at 10 ppi and no hang hole.
Cheers
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27th March 2023, 08:05 PM #21GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Picko. I have had a bit of success replacing horns. My approach is to use a plane to create a flat suitable for a good glue bond. Repeat with the replacement part, trying to keep grain aligned through the repair. Same species is perfect but apple can be hard to find (I ended up "milling" my own from a trunk section). Patina is hard to match, I don't try to anymore.
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27th March 2023, 09:17 PM #22SENIOR MEMBER
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Thanks MA, yeah I replaced the top one on the rip saw but I think the panel saw handle is just too far gone. The pic shows the one I did (arrowed) and below that was a crack that I glued up. Not close to perfect but fine for a user.
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27th March 2023, 10:02 PM #23
Matching the Apple handles can be a challenge. A while back I bought a bag of Apple "chunks" from Bunnings. Their intended use is to make your BBQ smell nice, but I very much doubt that happens. My use was for replacement material such as saw handle horns. However, I have not used them yet and really I prefer to make a new handle, particularly if the saw is not a collector piece.
Similar to this:
Matador 3kg Apple BBQ Smoking Chunks - Bunnings Australia
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28th March 2023, 09:36 AM #24
The pieces look plenty big enough for horn repairs Paul - a useful tip. They're not stocked at my closest Bunnies but they are available in aisle 42 at Rocklea....
I too prefer to remake a badly-damaged handle, but there are plenty of good reasons for preserving originals, of course. For example if it is a rare or very elaborate handle and the saw is not for regular use, or as in the case of my dad's saw, the original has nostalgic value. The old pot made an attempt to 'fix' the broken horn on the saw I got from him, but it was done in his latter years when he was far less fussy about such things, & he'd just built it up a bit with builders' bog, enough to cover the splinters & protect his hand. I debated leaving it as a memento, but it was not an example of his best work, & (horrors!) some future owner might think I did it.
CheersIW
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28th March 2023, 09:43 AM #25
Well it doesn't stick out like the one I did, Picko. It looked pretty good & I thought I had a close match until I oiled it: handle etch side.jpg
It has toned down a lot in the years since, fortunately. As Paul said, it can be hard to get a real match...
Cheers,IW
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28th March 2023, 11:13 AM #26SENIOR MEMBER
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Yeah but yours is hornier looking than mine. I should have done more research into what it should look like rather than just copy the one on an even older saw that's obviosly been broken too!
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28th March 2023, 07:01 PM #27
Yeah well - the Disstonian site is a very useful resource, it's got pics of mint & near-mint handles which are very useful when trying to figure out what a handle might've looked like on the day it left the factory. Handles were more hand-finished back then, so they varied enough that you can be a little bit free with your interpretation...
CheersIW
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28th March 2023, 07:24 PM #28
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28th March 2023, 08:07 PM #29SENIOR MEMBER
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Well, whatever the technicalities are, I just used it to rip a piece to make the new handle for the panel saw and it was a pleasure to use with freshly sharpened pointy bits and a horn that doesn't dig into my hand.
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28th March 2023, 08:21 PM #30
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