Thread: Managed to score some Stanley #1 and #2 planes

Number 2 size planes...They are easier to display then the #7 and #8 size monsters.

Stanley - SW in the box, Keen Kutter ( early bedrock) "V" logo and corrugated, Pre-lateral.



More by Stanley - Columbia, Eclipse, Siegley.



Sargent - 407, 7 corrugated ( Shaw's Patent), 707 Auto_Set



Ohio, 07, 07



Millers Falls - 7 and a Fulton 3708



Union - 2 and 2 corrugated.



Marsh 2



Record 02 Stay-Set



That's it except for the Bedrocks...

Regards,
Peter

Originally Posted by lightwood

......As for the #2 planes..sort of collect them.
From all kinds of makers...

Even ones by some whacky maker called "PMB", it would seem... Bl**dy heck Peter! I didn't know so many different #2 types existed!

The #2 is a useful size (unlike the #1, IMO), & I always wanted a #2, but never stumbled on one at a price I was prepared to pay, so I made my own versions with varying degrees of success. The Cooktown Ironwood plane I made a couple of years ago is the most successful so far:


Ironwood cf 4.jpg

A metal-sided version like the 'PMB' model is on the drawing board, and will eventually make an appearance if I manage to live long enough...

Chers,

Just got the Bedrocks out, early 602C & later 602.
And the most recent one....it was on my desk all along, the late, long #2...slightly bigger than the early ones, so that's the one to use

Regards,
Peter

Originally Posted by lightwood

.....And the most recent one....it was on my desk all along, the late, long #2...slightly bigger than the early ones, so that's the one to use .....

Nope, I lust after the old one at the front - love those low knobs. Give you ten bucks for it?

(I reckon I'll hear the strangled gasp from the other end of the continent............. )

Cheers,

I kind of dislike the #2 size, it is usable but a bit cramped even with a two finger grip (though I tend to hold it more around the handle) the LN#2 I think has a lightly smaller handle than the Stanley to give a bit more space maybe? Still that being said it is a nice size for small parts. I think a light infill would be more friendly to use for a long time, as i tend to get hot spots/bruises on my hands using this one for an extended period due to is small size of the handles. I really should get around to make some new handles for it with a bit more meat.

I knew a fellow who had collected every Plane except No1 still hasn't got it.

Originally Posted by Hardenfast

and some #3's and a whole load of the big #7's and #8's etc. I've been wanting a nice #1 for a while now, and ended up buying 3 of them as well as three #2's and a whole lot more. Conditions vary from very nice to somewhat ordinary, although the #1's and #2's are all exceptional. I'm wondering if I should restore a couple of them fully and leave the others as-is, or just leave them all with their original patina? Not really looking to re-sell any of them at this stage, just to have as a nice collection. Who else has a Stanley collection which includes #1 and #2 planes, and how have you treated them as far as restoration is concerned? Wayne

Wayne, As for restoration, there are so many opinions on that out there it can become bewildering. I like to judge every tool as an individual case. I see tool collectors and dealers that have "rules" they stick to, and some of that I think is just tool desecration. That's MY OPINION, not a rule I believe they should follow. If they own the tool, I think they can do what they want with it. My view is to do as little as is possible to stop any deterioration, and maintain it at that point. I don't sharpen a plane blade unless I plan to use it. I try and collect un-restored planes. As better condition examples of planes come into my collection I release others, and I might give them a light spruce up, no repaints, no buffing or polishing...just gentle sympathetic cleaning. Let's see the pictures of the planes as they arrive, and you will get plenty of advice, and opinions about what you might do with them. Regards, Peter, who can't make this computer format my reply....sorry.

Peter - do the blade/body widths on your metal #2 size planes vary?

Thanks,
Paul

Originally Posted by pmcgee

Peter - do the blade/body widths on your metal #2 size planes vary?

Thanks,
Paul

Paul,
the blades are all 1 5/8 inch, and the bodies are nominally 2 inch wide. (some are a little under)
This is an interesting #2 size by Spiers, sadly it isn't in my collection, Matty has it. His Dad found it in a central Vic country town junk shop!
Miniature Spiers Plane

I was offered a Pike & Dean #2 a while ago in trade for a plane in my collection...they are great looking planes.
Pretty certain it was the one on this page...I was pretty much torn between keeping what I have, and getting the one of the strangest and rarest #2 planes made.
Collectible Tools
They go for serious money...
Martin J. Donnelly Antique Tools

I would love to have some of the rarer #2 size planes, but they can get up into the high 4 figures, and some even into 5....

Regards,
Peter

Originally Posted by lightwood

Paul,
the blades are all 1 5/8 inch, and the bodies are nominally 2 inch wide. (some are a little under)

You made me look at my two.

The first one is all Stanley - just under 43mm between the cheeks. Blade 41mm.

The second i think came from the US. Brazed side cheek. Remade handles. No writing on the casting at all.
The cap-iron says "L Bailey's Patent DEC 1867" + iron says "Stanley Rule & Level Co." in a 'D'-shape.
42mm between the cheeks. Blade 39mm.

Earlier blade = narrower?

Thanks,
Paul

PS:

I was offered a Pike & Dean #2

Ughh. First one - side profile - kinda *ugly* - love the Sandusky 'though
Second one seems to have nicer wood in the handle - unless it was just camera trickery the first time.

aww, come on guys, this is just TOOL ####. Wayne, you should be ashamed of yourself.
First of all today, wheelin' sends me a link to a bloke unwrapping 3 ... yup 3! ... Holtey planes @ 17,000 pounds!
Wayne buys in SOME 1's and 2's, lightwoods COLLECTION of 2's....
I'm going back to the shed and polish my HNT's ....
drooling fletty

The video Fletty mentioned.

This would make a grown man cry.

Hmmmm.... at the risk of again being labelled a fraudster or feeling even more ashamed, I thought I would let you know that the first two shipments of planes & chisels has arrived from the USA. Unfortunately they were both packed mainly with larger bench planes - #6's, #7's and #8's including some with very nice corrugated soles.

Another of the little #1's was included along with an almost new condition #3, so I now have two of the #1's. I'm hoping the remaining box with the third #1 and the three #2's will arrive within a couple of weeks. At that stage I'll post another couple of images of the items.

Peter - that some awesome collection there. Beautiful #2's... they look good sitting on the desk. That one with the stickers + box is very, very nice. I tend agree that they are not really a practical plane for day-to-day use - either the #1 or the #2. I've never used them for any practical purpose. Despite being a carpenter since my teens and now having a nice collection which holds all of the various sizes, I usually find myself reaching for the plastic handled Stanley #4 1/2 smoother which was my first purchase as an apprentice back in the early 70's. The only other hand plane which I regularly use is a superb Record #7 which I bought as an unused new stock item about 15 years ago. These two just feel great in the hands.

I must admit that I used to use a 4C quite bit when I was hanging a lot of doors. It was a great little plane for adjusting closing-margins on the top of a door, and was also very good for creating an edge-arris by using one of the base corrugations as an edge-guide and depth gauge.

Still admiring those images, guys. Mine will be following once all items are here.

Wayne

Originally Posted by lightwood

Wayne, As for restoration, there are so many opinions on that out there it can become bewildering. I like to judge every tool as an individual case. I see tool collectors and dealers that have "rules" they stick to, and some of that I think is just tool desecration. That's MY OPINION, not a rule I believe they should follow. If they own the tool, I think they can do what they want with it. My view is to do as little as is possible to stop any deterioration, and maintain it at that point. I don't sharpen a plane blade unless I plan to use it. I try and collect un-restored planes. As better condition examples of planes come into my collection I release others, and I might give them a light spruce up, no repaints, no buffing or polishing...just gentle sympathetic cleaning. Let's see the pictures of the planes as they arrive, and you will get plenty of advice, and opinions about what you might do with them. Regards, Peter, who can't make this computer format my reply....sorry.

Yes, I tend to agree Pete. I will generally only lightly restore the accumulated grime from the small planes so it doesn't turn into rust, giving them a light buff with a non-steel abrader and a light coat of Lanotec. No sharpening or jappanning, although I do like to remove all the screws, clean the threads & polish the heads - make sure that there's no burrs on the slots etc.

I did spot an almost new #1 with labels and original box on eBay a few months ago. The guy wanted US$3,500 for it and also had a very impressive #2. Would have been a nice pair, but there's always plenty of things to spend your bucks on. I don't think these things will go down in value, but also don't think they are a great investment for future gain. Still, they are a very nice item to have in one's collection, and it's a pleasing, tactile experience to pick them up and take out the capping iron & blade etc. I know that some won't understand this and consider this whole thread somewhat of a w__k.

Wayne