Thread: What is this moulding plane used for?

Its a side rebate. One From a matched pair. Here's a few more for sale atm .

side rebate planes | eBay


For working the side of a rebate rather than its bottom . Great for adjusting trenches . The little Stanly cast iron ones get right into tight spots .

They are often listed wrongly as side snipe or snipe bill planes . You can see in this link the mix ups that happen with some sellers understandably not having a clue.

side snipe plane | eBay

Side snipes are a handy plane as well with no later cast iron re makes ever been done . They work in the quirk of a moulding on adjusting the round or a bead side . Its the only plane that can do that . They come in matched pairs as well .

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Rob

Thanks Rob. Hopefully all my rebates only go on way . Actually I might have to make one to match. As I pick up more hollow or round moulding planes (never yet in pairs) I am going to make the match required. First one is already done, I used the hollow (it might actually have been a bead) to make a matching round. For that one I cut down an old (as in tapered) plane iron and scribed the shape from the wooden profile. A bit rough but it worked and provided inspiration for my current plan.

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Looks good .

Enough practice and you could build a set for yourself .

Have you seen this ? Hollows & Rounds – M.S Bickford – Reproduction Moulding Planes

Rob

Thanks Rob. The site is great. Does this mean that by making something myself, just this once, I might be coming close to actually saving money, almost?

I watch that guy on Instagram. He starts with a tree ! Maybe he splits all his 1/4 blanks ? I didn’t notice that . Pretty cool . Lots of jigs and accurate machining .

I was just saying to a friend yesterday talking about the stuff we make to work with and the time it takes .
It costs in time to get the piece you need . You use it and put it away . How good does it feel when it’s there the second and third time you need it ! Yeah it’s saving money , and time driving around looking to buy one. And your learning great skills . You should design something and build it where you get to use them . Are you planning to do that?
Rob

Edit, for lots of corrections .

Thats a great question. And for those who know me well, hard to be succinct in answering. But I'll give it a go.....it all started with a #604 that belonged to my Grandad. As a carpenter I spend most of my working life using timber in all manner of ways. Speed is of essence and power tools reign supreme. They are quick, achieving the desired outcome without any reference to the needs of the material. But you need protection from them - earmuffs, glasses, even dust masks. We were taught (mostly by omission) that hand tools had very little use in the real world and my early experiments with them proved to be frustrating. Enter YouTubers and the resurgence of hand tool use. And back to my Grandads plane. Maybe I could fix his up and see what the deal is. What a revelation! Tuned up and sharpened well they are a pleasure to use, offering an increase in subtlety and expanding my abilities as a tradesman. I dated his plane via the web and realised it was nearly 100 years old and still relevant. And as they say, I started down a very slipperry slope. Who knew that using a marking knife would make hanging doors more accurate and therefore a pleasant experience? A well sharpened handsaw can sometimes be the quickest way to make that cut. And the best way to trim a tenon, wooden rebate plane (well probably a shoulder plane but they can be expensive). And there is another sort of router? The appeal of moulding planes is multi faceted. They are wooden, are part of my vocational legacy and appeal to my desire to make my own tools (partly professional pride and partly perceived value for money). The older I get, the more interested I become in finding the joy in whatever I do. And the more I realise I have to learn. For example I read with interest your replies to Derek about the side shooting board and making the scotia moulding. This stuff is gold for me (and I'm sure many others) And yes I will be using my planes wherever I can in my upcoming projects. On a side note, I still struggle to see the value of ripping timber by hand, my table saw will always be busy. Oh and sorry for the long reply

How good is a side rebate plane.

Didn't know I needed one until I saw it. Its all so OBVIOUS!

Of course, but doing a search on DDG, I get these obscenities from HNT Gorgon... sheeeesh! (my wallet )

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Originally Posted by Mountain Ash

..... Oh and sorry for the long reply

No apology needed at all, MA! It's interesting to me to hear how folks come to the dark side. My journey to hand tools is a bit different. I don't have any formal training in woodwork, apart from the two years (grades 7 & 8) when we had "manual training" classes one morning a week. I was lucky to have had two excellent teachers, one an ex cabinetmaker, the other an ex carpenter, and they showed us what skilled hands could do. I came back to 'woodwork' as an adult, back at school, very short of cash, but needing to do repairs & renovations on the old furniture we could afford. I had a pitiful tool kit, the only thing that burnt electrons was a 1/4" single-speed drill, but oh how I lusted after a tablesaw, and a planer, and, and...

Well, I did eventually get to be able to afford a tablesaw, and even a planer/jointer arrived in the stable, along with a drill-press, a 'lectric router and a few other cheap (& nasty!) power tools. But by the time they came along, my hand tool kit had grown a little more respectable (the good 'ol days when old tools were cheap & plentiful!), my skills had become a little bit respectable (still had a long way to go!), and I found decent hand tools were so much nicer to use than the home-handyman power tools of the day (& quieter, which became important when little creatures were sleeping upstairs). So I had already slipped to the dark side without even knowing there was such a thing. I can't see hand tools replacing the powered stuff on a building site, but as you say, some old methods still have relevance and can actually save time, but it takes time to learn any skill to a high degree, and you would obviously have been better off putting the effort into getting the best from the tools that helped you towards a profit-margin.

And much as I like hand saws & use them daily, a tablesaw and a bandsaw are still allowed shed space. Ripping metres of 2" thick hardwood, even with my lovely progressive-pitch Disston, isn't something my ageing body relishes!

Cheers,

Hi Ian. One of the ironies of my journey is that it was a very modern medium that got me interested in the tools of yore.
Hi again Rob. I had a more thorough look at the Bickford site, absolutey brilliant! Do you know of anymore like that?

Originally Posted by Mountain Ash

Hi Ian. One of the ironies of my journey is that it was a very modern medium that got me interested in the tools of yore.
Hi again Rob. I had a more thorough look at the Bickford site, absolutey brilliant! Do you know of anymore like that?

Planes – Jim Bode Tools

Originally Posted by Mountain Ash

Hi again Rob. I had a more thorough look at the Bickford site, absolutey brilliant! Do you know of anymore like that?

People who make new sets of moulding planes ?

I have in the past seen images of someone doing planes but I'm not sure if it was MS Bickford or not ?
Not sure they were sets of rounds and hollows either.

Ive always been interested in the old ones since getting into hand tools . It all started with my Dad who was a cabinet Maker. Later as an apprentice we had a half set sitting on the shelf for any of the cabinet makers to use if needed . As well as a tea chest full of all sorts. The workshop set . The rounds and hollows were getting a bit rough but they kept on doing what was needed.

About 20 years ago I started slowly collecting user moulding planes. You see a lot but most of the time you pick them up their joiners or window making . Ones suitable for Cabinet making , the sets of specific moulders as opposed to rounds and hollows are harder to find. The reverse Ogee you see on cabinets rather than the Grecian Ogee that you see on architecture is one type . Triple reed mould , beads , and others . I worked on restoring furniture in Dad's Antique shop and would compare any plane I picked up or see online to the mouldings I see on furniture.
Trying to solve the question of when scratch stock was used compared to planes looking at the furniture . It wasn't all obvious and in any books a lot of the time . Fascinating discussions between guys in the know in the back of workshops at times was when the penny dropped sometimes.
The first fifteen years of woodworking I had no idea how chair makers in the 18th c did those precise tapered moulds up the back of chair legs . Never forget the moment a bloke showed me how, with a scratch stock! I had been frowning looking at them for years wondering How it was possible . "A plane cant do that !" There is even a book out there on how to build 18th C chairs and the Author got it wrong . He carved all the moulding with chisel and got it Wonkily very wrong . And he published that . lol . I have a copy .

Rob

This book has suddenly interested me.... Mouldings in Practice – Lost Art Press

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exert... https://lostartpress.files.wordpress...ce_excerpt.pdf

edit: this Instagram profile by the writers covers off a rather profound range of material.... --> Matt Bickford (@msbickford) Instagram profile • 587 photos and videos

Originally Posted by Mountain Ash

.... One of the ironies of my journey is that it was a very modern medium that got me interested in the tools of yore.....

MA - perhaps you are just good at using the right tools at the right times?

I reckon remaining open to new ideas (or new-old ideas) isn't as easy as it sounds. In the hustle of modern life we don't have time to just stand & stare, or think about other ways things might be done. I admire the way Rob has managed to be able to combine making a living, engaging his curiosity, and maintain an infectious enthusiasm for it all - not a bad achievement by any standards!

You can add my vote for the humble scratch-stock. I've been an enthusiastic advocate for many years since I first read about them in an early 'Fine Woodworking'. For the amateur who may want to reproduce a few feet of a particular moulding only once in a lifetime, the scratchstock is often the best choice. I've been amazed at how well, & how quickly they can make quite complex profiles, even in my not-so-skilled hands. And as Rob says, there are some profiles that machines just can't do, like following a compound curve. This is a very simple example, just a quirked bead, on the back rail of this chair but no 'lectric router cutter could follow the compound curve unless you spent a day making a very elaborate jig, nor could it make the tapered stop & start so easily: Chair rail.jpg

Took less than a minute with a scratch-stock!

Cheers,

Hi Ian. I think I read the same article. I used to borrow FWW from our local library but they stopped subscribing a few years ago. I do miss the exposure I got to some wonderful work. I subscribe to AWR but I'm yet to see an article on a Queen Anne style secretary desk made of cherry