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    Default Yet another No3 refurbishment

    Picked this up on my way home from work after i saw it listed on facebook picked it up for $15 i suspect it is a type 19 going by the online info, this plane is a made in England one where my other type 13 no3 is made in USA . Lets see what I can do for this one





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    Quote Originally Posted by Skilsaw View Post
    Picked this up on my way home from work after i saw it listed on facebook picked it up for $15 i suspect it is a type 19 going by the online info, this plane is a made in England one where my other type 13 no3 is made in USA...
    Don't forget that the type study doesn't work on English planes. Stanley UK started with what was the Stanley USA type 16 (from about 1936), but then went off on their own tangent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post
    Don't forget that the type study doesn't work on English planes. Stanley UK started with what was the Stanley USA type 16 (from about 1936), but then went off on their own tangent.

    Cheers, Vann.
    OK I wasn't actually aware of that with the English made Stanley planes at all with the type study so thank you for the heads up on that, so far the plane is cleaning up better than I thought and it is much worse than the type 13 I did last week I actually took to this one with the brass wire wheel to strip off the rust from the sides of the plane but ran the sole over some sandpaper to clean that up.

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    The Tote and front knob after clean up, prepping and first coat of shellac really liking how these have come up





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    You got the bug, got it bad. No going back now so hope the shed is big enough for all the planes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orraloon View Post
    You got the bug, got it bad. No going back now so hope the shed is big enough for all the planes.
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    I find it relaxing doing stuff like this after a day at work and beats watching the giggle box all the time, plus if I get double ups of different sizes I can always flog them off on our local auction site to fund other planes to bring back to life or upgrade, had some rotter beat me on a couple of auctions i was bidding on for a no5c and a no6 with dirty big auto bids so I gave up on those ones.

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    And it is all done and back together paint is currently touch dry so will be leaving it for a day or two to harden up before putting it into some wood to get it set up. I have started cleaning up the UK made No 4 but wont be covering that one on here as it is a later model one with plastic tote and plastic front knob with steel depth adjuster knob, steel screw heads and two piece pressed steel yoke on the depth adjuster so that one is just a clean and put back to work or chuck onto the local auction site as I only like planes with wooden handles, brass screws and brass depth adjuster knob.



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    Thats come up ok and will be a good user. Since I have been doing a lot of smaller projects I am liking the 3 more and more. Finding a lot of things I did with a block plane are easier with a 3 as it's got a nice handle to hang on to and so more comfortable.
    Keep up the good work. Lots of old tools out there still to save. By the way if you like brass and wood handles keep an eye open for old WS planes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orraloon View Post
    Thats come up ok and will be a good user. Since I have been doing a lot of smaller projects I am liking the 3 more and more. Finding a lot of things I did with a block plane are easier with a 3 as it's got a nice handle to hang on to and so more comfortable.
    Keep up the good work. Lots of old tools out there still to save. By the way if you like brass and wood handles keep an eye open for old WS planes.

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    This one I feel I did a better job with than I did on the type 13 sweetheart, I have done the final set up on the UK made one and could not help myself but to try it on some wood and it is also a little champ, I tried setting the chip breaker/cap iron 2mm back from the cutting edge and found its sweet spot, tried the same thing on the sweetheart and that was its sweet spot too nice ultra thin shavings. I am a big fan of the wooden handles and brass bits as I feel they just belong where as steel screws, steel adjuster knobs and plastic handles to me is an insult to a stanley or any plane but sadly that is the way the tool world went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skilsaw View Post
    ....... I am a big fan of the wooden handles and brass bits as I feel they just belong where as steel screws, steel adjuster knobs and plastic handles to me is an insult to a stanley or any plane but sadly that is the way the tool world went.....
    Hmm, you'll get no arguments here on the desirability of brass & wood on tools! It wouldn't have been quite so bad if they'd just gone to cheaper materials, but maintained the quality of machining & fit. It's easy enough to replace the 'orrible plasticky tote & knob with a bit of nice, tactile wood, but poorly-machined & badly-fitted frogs sitting on minuscule flats are another matter. You'd need access to a milling machine & moderately advanced metalworking skills to do much with those sorts of problems.

    Early in my woodworking career I bought a new #3 Stanley from a large Canadian retail chain. The lever-cap was as-cast & simply painted, (not a square mm of plating to be seen on the entire tool!) with a plastic sticker instead of an embossed "Stanley" on it. I suspect the few folks with any pride left at the Stanley works hoped the sticker would soon fall off (it did) & sever any connection of the venerable company to this bit of junk. The plane was obviously made to a minimum price (I paid the equivalent of about $30 in today's money), so I should've been warned, but I knew very little nothing about planes & what makes them sing, back then, and look, it does say it's a Stanley! I could get the thing to make thick shavings on softish, knot-free woods, but it would chatter on hard woods, and a knot or hard spot would send it into a frenzy of protest. I could never get it to produce the much-desired gossamer shavings under any circumstances - it was utterly useless as a 'smoother'.

    The principal cause of its poor performance was that the frog sat on just two flats - the toe didn't even touch the sole (cf. your plane above, which has two machined flats just behind the mouth). So with the pointy end of the blade cantilevered a couple of cms past its support, you can see why it liked to chatter. Eventually, I realised I was never going to make a silk purse from that sow's ear & gave it to my then 8 yr old son for his tool kit. At some point, he left it out in the weather for a few months, which didn't improve it much, but was probably what it deserved. It's long since gone to landfill.

    So just a wee warning to anyone starting out in this wonderful world of planes - be careful! I worry that unsuspecting newbies will end up with something like that to 'refurbish' - it will be an exercise in pure frustration & might put you off the whole idea. Sticking to bench planes that have brass nuts, cast adjuster yokes and woodwork instead of plasticwork won't guarantee you get a winner every time but if it's not an obvious 'Franknplane', these can be an indication of sound bones. As you gain experience, you'll be better able to quickly spot the likely winners from the likely losers. The reward is you'll acquire some very respectable tools that will serve you well for a lifetime or two....

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    Skilsaw,

    What type/make of paint did you use in your restoration?

    Have you attempted Japanning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post
    Don't forget that the type study doesn't work on English planes. Stanley UK started with what was the Stanley USA type 16 (from about 1936), but then went off on their own tangent.

    Cheers, Vann.
    Sorry about coming in a bit late on this one, I missed it at the time. When Stanley bought Chapman, apart from their braces, they were also making planes and I believe they were the Acorn brand. Did Stanley incorporate any of the features of Chapmans planes in their new venture. or just pushed them to one side in favour of their US models?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boringgeoff View Post
    ...When Stanley bought Chapman, apart from their braces, they were also making planes...
    And eggbeater drills. The Chapman No.105 eggbeater became the common-or-garden Stanley No.803, found in every school and workshop. And I think they had a breast drill that became the Stanley No.905 breast drill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boringgeoff View Post
    ...Did Stanley incorporate any of the features of Chapmans planes in their new venture. or just pushed them to one side in favour of their US models?
    I have two Acorn planes. One is a Stanley product, the other I think is pre the Stanley take-over. I've just been out to the workshop but both are packed away . If I remember correctly the pre-Stanley Acorn was reasonable quality - not quite up to Stanley or Record standard, but close. The Stanley era Acorn is a budget plane, very similar to the later Stanley Handyman range. Not much in common with the earlier Acorns.

    So I think it's fair to say Stanley pushed them to one side in favour of their US models - but used the name on their budget range. Whereas with the eggbeaters they used the JA Chapman design almost unchanged, rather than introduce USA designs to Britain (there will no doubt be exceptions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippity View Post
    Skilsaw,

    What type/make of paint did you use in your restoration?

    Have you attempted Japanning?
    I used rustoleum 2 in 1 spray paint, no have not tried japanning as there is too much involved in doing it.

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