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  1. #1
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    Default Overdue Review....

    Hi all,

    At the end of August, a mysterious parcel turned up in my office. As you can tell from the A4 in the background…. They’re HUGE!

    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/r1.jpg[/media]

    Ok – maybe that’s the wrong background… here they are again… actually a very reasonable size.

    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/r2.jpg[/media]

    A close-up of the spearpoint knife:

    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/r3.jpg[/media]

    And the awl:

    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/r4.jpg[/media]

    Physical Description

    Both handles were beautifully turned from what turns out be, after extensive analysis, wood. ( Specifically, Allocasuarina fraseriana.)

    Each has what appears to be a hand-rubbed satin finish, and the handles are smooth without being slippery. Major handle diameters are .652” (1.66cm), and handles have an overall length of 5.285” (13.42cm). Each is capped with a .312” (.79cm) ferrule. We were unable to determine whether blue brass, or white brass was used.

    The knife blade measures 1.375” (3.49cm) long, is .225” wide (.57cm) and is .038” (.20cm) thick. Using an optical comparator, it was found to have an included angle of 60 degrees (optional angles were not supplied).

    The awl tip is 1.221” (3.1cm) long, with a root diameter of .152” (.38cm). The tip tapers to a point over half of the length of the blade.

    When examined under a microscope – both were just as sharp and pointy up close, as far away.

    In Use

    Both precision instruments were tested in the highest quality hard and softwood samples we could get our hand on… Pinus strobus, and Acer E Guitarensis. (commonly known as Eastern White Pine, and “Rock” maple….)

    Softwood results for both knife and awl are shown below. Lines were carefully scribed at 15 degree increments to a given axis, to test cut ability across and along the grain. While both did an excellent job marking in softwood, fiber tearing is visible in the lines left by the awl.

    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/SWK.jpg[/media]
    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/SWA.jpg[/media]

    Hardwood results were much closer – as can be seen in the test pieces below. Both left clean marks, though again, the awl did have a slight tendency to follow the grain in some instances.

    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/HWK.jpg[/media]
    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/HWA.jpg[/media]


    One can only conclude from these tests that the marking knife is the best choice for use as a marking knife… unless of course, you don’t have one – in which case you’re clearly faced with a choice of awl or none.

    For dovetail work, the knife proved to be an excellent companion to the revolutionary Veritas dovetail saw prototype during testing, the results of which can almost be seen below…

    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/Dove.jpg[/media]

    Other comments

    When left on the bench – both exhibited a tendency to roll in a clock-wise direction (contrary to the counter-clockwise stated in the instructions???). The small knob on the end of the handle made them comfortable to hold in your mouth, while fiddling about aligning pin board to tail board. The differing finish on the ferrules (one brass, one nickel plate) made it a snap to tell which was which, just by looking at them…. Something we wish more manufacturers would do.

    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/pair.jpg[/media]


    So there you have it – my first official review, in what I am sure will be a very short career as a reviewer….

    Cheers –

    Rob

    PS – Ok – what I really meant to write is that these are beautifully made, and very useful tools. The handles in particular are superb – my hand grips the thinnest part of the handle at the web between my thumb and forefinger, while the balance of the handle mimics the natural curve of my fingers when relaxed. These are well thought out tools, and it’s a privilege to have them. Many thanks to Derek!

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  3. #2
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    Excellent review Rob,

    Are you in the Northern Hemisphere by any chance?

    If so I believe this may explain the clockwise bench rolling phenomenon. Everything down here rolls off the bench in a counter clockwise fashion.

    Alan

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    Great review Rob.

    Looking forward to Derek's response, but I'm guessing we won't be seeing him in for a while today as he is entertaining, probably still cleaning out the garage!
    Kev

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    Hi Rob,

    Yes, well done. There are a number of us 'down under' lucky enough to have one or the other of Derek's handmade items. I have the marking knife and I agree with you, it is a little ripper and very comfortable to use.

    So that is enough reviewing for you. Back int to the LV design office with you and keep those tools rolling out the factories.

    Cheers
    Pops

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    Hi Rob,

    It's a real treat to read a reviewer who does his research.

    I always thought Rock Maple was a Canadian heavy metal band.

    Pleased to see you using it's correct botanical name "Acer E Guitarensis"

    Enjoyed the chuckle.

    Regards
    Ray

    Now waiting for Derek to review the review the review the review ....

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    Default So are you going to use them, or store them?

    You really must explain the drive bys Rob

    this one?
    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/r1.jpg[/media]

    and these two?
    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/r2.jpg[/media]
    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/r3.jpg[/media]

    and this one?
    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/r4.jpg[/media]

    not to mention this one
    [media]http://www.leevalley.com/home/temprl/WN/Dove.jpg[/media]


    so are you going to use them or add them to the collection?


    ian

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    Hi Rob

    My first reaction when I received your email this morning alerting me to your review was “Oh my Gawd!”. As I was to discover, my fears were completed well founded.

    All I can say is thank goodness for the distraction of the new range of Veritas tools. The new H.O.L.T.E.Y. block plane makes a splendid backdrop, and the new J.M. plough highlights the tones of the She-oak.

    I did omit to mention in the 22-page manual that the marking knife was designed for bevel up use and best held at 77°. The scratch awl is more forgiving – may be used either BU or BD, and is actually the left-handed version.

    Since completion of this pre-production model, I have not only added another 13 pages of notes, but also accessories for the knife and awl combination.

    The first accessory is a fence for the marking knife. This is to aid those who find it difficult to mark a straight line, or who have sniffed a little too much buffing oil the night before.



    The second accessory is a guide for the scratch awl. This one is to assist the compulsives amongst us resist their insistence on marking straight lines.



    And here is the full set on offer ..



    For those reading this review of the review, and are inspired to send me money for a set, please be aware that they are only intended to be released in the Spring of never. I make them mainly as gifts and occasionally have some over. Alternately, I can send you a kit comprised a block of wood and an unground HSS jigsaw blade. A lathe is optional but recommended. Instructions are at

    http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad...Dovetails.html


    Thanks Rob for making my day!

    Regards from Perth

    Derek

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    You guys ar funny. Keep it up.
    Kevin

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    I actually have a marking set that I wouldn't mind reviewed *hint*hint* Mr Lee

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