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    Ian,
    They look fantastic, I really love the curved side planes (coffin planes)
    They just look like they would fit your hand perfectly.

    Cheers Matt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cklett View Post
    ....I also like the new "adjuster" design I see there in the background of one of the picks. Looks sleek too.....
    That's the smallest 'adjuster' I've made so far, CK, it's an offcut from a 9.5mm thick lever cap. It's pretty dinky but good for the light taps it takes to advance the blade of this little thing by a thou or so. Can't take much credit for 'design' though, the head is virtually 'as sawn' from the L.C. blank.

    Matt, not sure it's any more comfy to hold than the straight-sided one. They are both ok, & a little bit nicer to hold than my Veritas apron plane, but then I have always preferred to hang onto a bit of wood rather than cold metal. The curved one will most likely get the guernsey, just because it looks a bit flasher, but the straight one does every bit as good a job...

    Cheers,
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    Nice one, Ian. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the bun on this one is probably the sleekest one you’ve done. I’d assume it’s quite nice ergonomically too? I tend to find using my little one that my palm rests on the back of the bun with my fingers either side of the blade, so this shape would fit nicely I reckon!

    Funnily enough, I actually really like the infill. The knots (which I usually despise) suit the timber and almost look like a birdseye. Did you apply the same finish? This one seems to have a deeper colour which I really like.

    Last thing - any specific logic behind the cut outs at the bottom of the bun? Or purely decoration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jw2373 View Post
    ... I’d assume it’s quite nice ergonomically too? I tend to find using my little one that my palm rests on the back of the bun with my fingers either side of the blade, so this shape would fit nicely I reckon! ......
    The jury is still out on the ergonomics, Josh. I played with the new one & it's predecessor for a while yesterday, and couldn't decide if there was enough difference to favour one over the other. There was at first, because I'd left the blade a bit long (it was the remainder of the piece I'd cut for the one before it, and I thought I may as well leave the extra 100 years of life in it . However, the extra blade sticking up made it uncomfortable, even after I smoothed all the protruding sharp edges, so I pruned it a bit. After that, there was little difference between them - if anything, I'd reckon the straight-sided bun would suit any hand larger than mine better than the more tapered one.

    Quote Originally Posted by jw2373 View Post
    ...any specific logic behind the cut outs at the bottom of the bun? Or purely decoration?.....
    Necessity rather than logic. With the various iterations of this design I've been searching for the perfect butt, as it were.

    I've tried various endings in an attempt to get something that is both functional & visually appealing. I wanted to extend the wood back as far as possible, and give it some sort of indentation to wrap a finger around (so it can be pulled as well as pushed). The problem is how to blend the ends of the sides with the wood in an aesthetically satisfying way.

    The first looked like this: 1.jpg

    It was ok to hold, but looked bit bland, so I tried this: 2a.jpg

    That was a bit more interesting, but maybe too fussy, so another try: 4.jpg

    Now the curved sides were a bit different again. This time, I extended the sole a good 12mm beyond the sides to get a bit more wood and a nice rounded butt. However, my brass scraps were about 10mm shorter than I wanted to make the sole, so the rebates that are necessary to fit the stuffing into the body now project well past the ends of the sides. Cutting the rebates so they would be flush with the tops and the ends of the sides was just too difficult. I tried it with some scrap, but the curved sides stymied me, it's a bit of a Chinese puzzle-like process to coax the wood into position. The burl, with its swirly grain patterns & predilection to crumble at critical points is bad enough to pare & fit at the best of times, so I just extended the rebates to the back & made them a 'feature': 5.jpg

    Yeah, I know, I have too much time for mucking around.....
    Cheers,
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    Great insights, Ian. Reckon it’s your analytical brain keeping itself well and truely busy, thinking of all the different shapes and ergonomics 😀. Next time I visit I’d like to hear (and see) your thoughts about gripping the plane (or caressing the butt &#128514 to get a good idea of the thought behind the different shapes. Many of the traditional planes have almost the same ‘butt formula’ and I wonder if it was through experimentation or lack of time to come up with refinements. I would assume that feedback over the decades and centuries might have helped refine them, but the shape seems to have changed little over that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jw2373 View Post
    Great insights, Ian. Reckon it’s your analytical brain keeping itself well and truely busy, thinking of all the different shapes and ergonomics .....
    Um, some of our colleagues would probably say I just haven't lost my teenage fascination for cute little butts....

    Quote Originally Posted by jw2373 View Post
    .... Next time I visit I’d like to hear (and see) your thoughts about gripping the plane (or caressing the butt ��) to get a good idea of the thought behind the different shapes. Many of the traditional planes have almost the same ‘butt formula’ and I wonder if it was through experimentation or lack of time to come up with refinements. I would assume that feedback over the decades and centuries might have helped refine them, but the shape seems to have changed little over that time....
    Y'know, I think that the shapes of rear buns on planes have as much to do with the aesthetics of the maker and convenience as ergonomics. People seem to use different preferred grips on these planes, so it probably makes sense to keep the buns simple so users can find their own ways of holding them. I do like mucking about & having fun with these little planes, I can see why Bill Carter made so many of those teeny mitre planes using reclaimed tenon saw spines, it's great therapy fiddling about with miniatures (well, when things go according to plan, that is.......)

    Cheers,
    IW

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