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24th November 2012, 06:18 PM #46
Yes Blackwood will work, their even was an Australian maker of Traditional European Coffin Smoothing and Jack Planes who made his planes from Blackwood. I am not sure what period he was from but I am sure a true tool collector would know the guy. I saw a photo of the Blackwood planes online but it was many years ago.
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24th November 2012, 08:04 PM #47
TS,
that would be E Kennedy, a Melbourne Maker. Early 1900s
HTPAA :: Kennedy Planes
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f152/e...-plane-112820/
a couple of other species to consider. Red Ironbark, the Melbourne Chinese plane-makers of the late 1800s, Spotted gum would be my choice though...it is slippery to the touch.
Made one a while ago in a hard acacia of some sort, it was sold to me as 'Hickory wattle"
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f152/p...tml#post807839
Regards,
Peter
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25th November 2012, 01:20 PM #48
Chisel Handels
Hello All
Those have ordered Firmer and Paring Chisels as part of this batch order.
We need to discuss handle shapes and timber selection. I PM'ed those blokes who ordered firmer chisels, asking for their comments, this is what we have so far:
TruckieMuzzI am not too fussed about the handle design. A little longer would suit mesheoak for firmer & paring chisel handles, I like the H&S style, ferule would be good on the firmers.ferrules and the Sheok sounds good. I will be hitting them.I like the handle design from your 11 April post in the M2 HSS Firmer Chisel Batch
Regarding the paring chisel we could just dome the end so it fits comfortable into the palm of the hand?
Timber Selection
If you are part of the Paring of Firmer Chisel Order and you have asked for handles below is what I have you down for. Now The Native Olive and The Qld Maple I have and I have spares of the QLD Maple. I still need to buy the W.A. She Oak from dusteater, who is selling me a set of 8 blanks for $15 plus postage. If you are down for W.A. SheOak and want to swap to QLD Maple please post as it will save me from buy extras. At the moment we need 96 handles for the firmer chisels AND 84 paring chisel handles.
Paring Chisels Timber Selected
Member NameHandlesMax (ANU) N/A Old Gunnie N/A Polie N/A Ray153 N/A TermiMonster N/A brontehls Native Olive Javali Native Olive jbarch Native Olive JT Native Olive Ivorbigdeck Qld Maple GreenTemple Qld Maple Acer Qld Maple bsrlee Qld Maple HarryR Qld Maple Kevjed Qld Maple Christos W.A. Sheoak gnu52 W.A. Sheoak xpearler W.A. Sheoak guyc45 (USA) W.A. Sheoak ww417 (USA) W.A. Sheoak
Firmer Chisels Timber Selected
Bushmiller N/A Glenlara N/A Old Gunnie N/A Polie N/A rat52 N/A chambezio N/A Christos W.A. Sheoak Gnu52 W.A. Sheoak Harry R W.A. Sheoak Horaldic W.A. Sheoak ivorbigdeck W.A. Sheoak javali W.A. Sheoak Kapex W.A. Sheoak TermiMonster W.A. Sheoak zvon W.A. Sheoak TruckieMuzz W.A. Sheoak XPearler W.A. Sheoak
Confirm Your Order
Have a look at the images below taken from the spreadsheet. If you order is INCORRECT send me a PM and I will make correction, OR you want to change your timber selection QLD Maple.
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Calling All Turners
Last time we had handles turned the bloke was a commercial turner and while his work was consistent and accurate his care and attention was lacking. With most of the handles needing lots of post sanding. I am considering asking if someone on forum would interested in doing the job. Someone who understand what woodworkers demand. A commercial mob would charge us $4 per handle, for 171 handles that comes to $684. That is what we budgeted for at the moment. IF you know anyone who be interested in taking on this job for the specified sum of money, PM me with details.
Please contribute you comments as we will be starting the manufacturing of the handles asap. So this will be you last chance to contribute.
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25th November 2012, 02:03 PM #49
Confirmation in Responce to PM
Hi Helmut,
Just to bring us both up to the same level....I will not require any handles as I want to make my own. If you could supply the ferrules with the Chisels, that would be goodJust do it!
Kind regards Rod
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25th November 2012, 02:04 PM #50
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25th November 2012, 02:05 PM #51
Try Tea Lady, she might be interested.
regards
Nick
veni, vidi, tornavi
Without wood it's just ...
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25th November 2012, 02:13 PM #52
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25th November 2012, 03:41 PM #53
At $4 a piece you would expect the handles to need a lot of post sanding. :S Also there are 2 ferrels on each handle that need to be well fitted to that you can hit them in anger. And what sort of finish and all that. And little leather bits? Do you want those?
But I would be interested in doing them.
One little suggestion for the handle design, I like a little step in the handle. It makes it easier to push. Here is a pic of one I did a while ago, and the chisel I kinda copied.
chiselsnov2012 009cs.jpganne-maria.
Tea Lady
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25th November 2012, 04:44 PM #54
I will try to outline the Handle Turning job in nauseating detail, so forgive me in advance.
The timber is supplied the species are:
- Native Tasmanian Olive
- QLD Maple
- W.A. Sheoak
- European Olive
The timber has already been cut into ruffly (42 to 45) mm x (42 to 45) mm x 200 mm for you.
The total number of handles are 171 (Could be reviewed).
- Qld Maple - 32 blanks Paring Chisels
- Native Olive - 15 blanks Paring Chisels
- W.A. Sheoak - 45 Paring Chisels
- W.A Sheoak - 79 Firmer Chisels
All you would need to do is:
- Drill a 55 mm deep hole on one end (4 mm diameter for paring style handle and 6 mm diameter for the firmer style), this is the end that the tang will enter. It is critical that this hole is straight as a skew hole, will mean a skew chisel.
- All handles are visually identical. The design is set, and is based on the Harold & Saxon shape which is wildly popular (Note the crisp line of the H&S, it's not bulbous, rather it runs in a straight line from the socket, at its apex it has a sharp corner and then it tapers to the back again in a sharp straight line). This is all about standardisation, repetition and production. There is no place for artistic licence.
- That the handle profile flows cleanly from and to the brass socket profile. Crisp lines, showing a modernist intent, think the German Pavilion by Mies van der Rohe, 1929 Barcelona Exposition, Spain.
- Sanded to 400 grit would be ideal but 240 will suffice as long no deep sanding marks on the handle as the last guy did.
A single socket and a ferrule will be provided that you can reference the fit.
However there is NO need to do any of the following - As the blokes will do this when they get the components that form the chisel kit:
- Assemble the chisel
- Pare out the mortice for the tang
- Apply any finish to the handle
NOTES
The sockets is tapered on the inside, so the fit will be a friction fit, the tang will also interlock the whole setup. Here is drawing of the socket, the chisel and tang interconnect.
The ferrule should be a tight fit. It should jam as the end of the wooden handle is compressed and expands, locking the ferrule into place.
You will have about a month to finish the handles for the firmer chisels, and then up to 2 months after that to finish the paring chisels handles. This should line up with RayG surface grinding. Having said that the commercial turner turned twice as many handles in less then 5 days.
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25th November 2012, 08:56 PM #55
Plane Blades and Chisels ( A progress report )
Helmut, you have my order right, 8 x 150's in paring chisels with no handles.
Ray
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25th November 2012, 09:36 PM #56
Perhaps it is not my place to comment as Ihave requested my chisels to be unhandled, but that sort of tedious technicality has never silenced me in the past. Turning of tool handles is my only lathe turning activity and while I am mediocre at it, I enjoy this aspect.
It seems that from Helmut's comments we paid $4 per handle last time, which I am thinking would be around four years ago. On top of that the job was less than satifactory in terms of finish.
How realistic is it to expect a better job (more refined) for the same cost four years later? If a forum member, be it Tea-Lady or anybody else, is good enough to commit to the work, should we ask them for a more refined product for the same money?
If the plane blades are anything to judge the chisels by, they will be exceptional and up there with the best chisels available anywhere in the world today. Not only that they will be approaching unique and as such a valuable commodity and certainly highly desireable.
RayG and Josh have, to my mind, boxed well above their weights in producing the blades to such a high standard. Those who have received plane blades have already attested to this and I am confident that the chisels will receive the same glowing acolades.
I am throwing this discussion out to those of you who have opted to have a handle supplied with the chisel. I know that some of the costs have blown out during the production process and additional costs have been requested. Most of us have paid these willingly as it has been caused by circumstances beyond control.
I also happen to believe it adds to the kinship of the forum to have as many tasks as possible completed within our membership. It is a bond set in timber .
Regards
PaulBushmiller;
"Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely!"
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25th November 2012, 09:40 PM #57
Paul fair comments. Tea Lady and and I will discuss the details, if blokes want to push up the cost, and if Tea Lady and want it. Then so shall it be.
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25th November 2012, 09:42 PM #58
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25th November 2012, 10:43 PM #59
In reply to the PMs regarding firmer chisels, my order is correct.
I'll be striking my chisels so I'll need ferrules.
In relation to shape, I dislike the shape of LN handles, it causes my hands to cramp.
A shape closer to the Harold and Saxon one would suit me, with a subtle "belly" to it.
I have Ashley Isles chisels with a similar shape and they are great in terms of comfort.
Horaldic
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25th November 2012, 10:48 PM #60
You say the timber has been cut "roughly" to 42- 45 mm. How square as this influences how square we can drill the holes.
anne-maria.
Tea Lady
(White with none)
Follow my little workshop/gallery on facebook. things of clay and wood.
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