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22nd May 2010, 08:02 AM #1Senior Member
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Planes
Hi all,
Been looking at getting hold of a multi plane in Stanley or Record can any one tell me what a plough plane does ?
Cheers Box
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22nd May 2010, 01:03 PM #2
Plow Planes are like farming plows, It is used to make furrows, rebates/rabbets, or channels. These planes have come to be know as anchors, because most of them are so fiddle and cumbersome that are are only good for ship anchors.
Alf, is a fan of these planes, see here site here on combinations plane.
These tools have largely been superseded by router bits today. My readings has impressed on me that Metal Stanley/Record are inferior to the Wooden or the Modern iterations by Veritas here and here. The old Stanley's are also expensive, because of their collector value, they also are often missing their blades, which are hard to find in themselves.
These are specialist planes, the reserve of the dedicated dark sider. Another draw back to them is that they will only work in solid wood, were router bits will work in almost anything.
The advantage that I could see in plow planes is control.
You can see some reviews here and here.
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22nd May 2010, 01:29 PM #3Jim
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Wooden moulding planes (unlike combination planes) have a base which is shaped like the blade hence there is less risk of tear-out.
However, I have to say that a combination plane in good condition is a work of art.
As you might guess I have one.
Cheers,
Jim
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23rd May 2010, 02:24 AM #4
Hi Box
to quote from here Stanley #55 Molding Router Bits - Lee Valley Tools
A stunningly complex yet incredibly versatile tool used to make a near limitless variety of moldings, the Stanley Tools #55 Universal Combination Plane was largely produced during the first 60 years of the 20th century. Many of the unique moldings it produced still exist in buildings but are not easily reproduced, making repairs and restoration efforts difficult.
But Lee Valley have 25 router bits that allow you to come really close
but if getting a new plane takes your fancy, Clifton make a copy of the Record 405
just be sitting down when you see the priceregards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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23rd May 2010, 10:56 AM #5
Plough and Combination Planes
Hi,
As per other replies, a plow plane makes "furrows" or channels, and is sometimes used as a rebate plane.
Just keep in mind that a dedicated plough plane is better than a combination plane in the respect that the wood is held down against the work just before the blade cuts, so as to avoid the chipping upwards of the wood (tearout).
So many people fail to mention this critical operating point.
You can use a Record 044 to cut a 1/4 inch panelling slot all day and not have any tearout.
I have done it.
And so, older dedicated plough planes with bottom soles (albeit thin) function better by taking a realistically thick shaving, with little or no tearout.
Combination (Multi) planes usually only have very thin side "skates" at the bottom and offer litle or no hold-down pressure to the wood to be cut.
They can be used to plough, but in my experience, you need to have good setup, very sharp blades, take very very thin cuts, have patience, and dont worry too much if you get tearout and have to start all again with new wood.
I am a big fan of the Record 044 as a plough plane and have used them for furniture work. I have four!. and a Marples.
Although, I would like my 044s to have a knurled depth adjuster like the Veritas plane!
I have six combination planes, and keep going back to the Record 044.
Combination planes make good collector's items and impress shed visitors.
They can be indispensible for one off special jobs however.
So over the next twenty years of your woodwork, you may find, as I did, that some older dedicated tools work better than all-purpose, universal, do-all type tools that are big on compromise.
They work, but sacrifice some aspects of the job.
Work out what you want to do, what you need, do the research, read a lot, then buy the best you can afford.
If you really must have a combination plane, and are only doing smaller jobs, consider a good second hand Record 050 or a Stanley 13-050 from a good dealer or eBay. For bigger jobs using bigger blades, well, a Record 405 or Stanley 45. Best to check that all blades and accessories are included.
If you have spare money, Veritas make good new planes.
And one last thing, I made a special vertical blade for my 044 which then acts brilliantly as a side rebate plane to finish up my ploughing. The concept is transferable to all similar planes.
cheerio
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23rd May 2010, 11:47 AM #6
Beware BOX, this is what we call 'the slope'. Before you know it, you'll have more planes than you can shake a fist at.
Sorry Mike48, I'm taking the mickey out of myself too. I counted how many planes I have recently, and I'm too embarassed to post how many...
Cheers, Vann.Gatherer of rustyplanestools...
Proud member of the Wadkin Blockhead Club .
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23rd May 2010, 02:43 PM #7
Hi Box
If you are a newcomer to handplanes, as you appear to be, I would recommend that you stay away from a combination plane, such as the Stanley #45 or #55. They require a great deal more "touch" and experience that you will have, and cause you endless frustration, enough to turn you off handplanes altogether! The #45 and #55 are great planes, but they are for later.
What exactly are you wanting a handplane to do? That is the place to start. Tell us what your experience is, and what type of tool you are looking for.
Regards from Perth
DerekVisit www.inthewoodshop.com for tutorials on constructing handtools, handtool reviews, and my trials and tribulations with furniture builds.
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23rd May 2010, 10:10 PM #8Senior Member
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Plane
Hi all,
Thanks for the advice I think I'll stick with my Jack and Smoothing planes.Reason I wanted the combo plane was so as I could put a patten around the lids of box's.
P.S anybody got any good carpenter type plans for a tool box.
Cheers Box
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25th May 2010, 12:48 AM #9
in that case I suggest you buy a dedicated molding plane
you could have a lot of fun with a few of these
link Traditional Asian Hollow & Round Planes - Lee Valley Toolsregards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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