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  1. #1
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    Default First saw re-sharpen

    I have few saws and I will certainly get more. But I have never re-sharpened any of them until today. I read on the forum that a badly sharpened saw was better than a blunt saw and after 30 years of procrastination I made a saw vice got a saw file and hooked into to it. The victim was my Veritas 14 TPI carcass saw.

    A few observations.

    Firstly it is not all that hard to improve a blunt saw and I suspect that after a few goes I will get then process to a point that is as good or better than a outsourcing the task. Once I got started and slipped into a bit of a pattern I think I got an acceptable result fairly speedily.

    Watching a few videos, especially the Lie Neilsen video on saw sharpening really helps as does the encouragement I received from forum members.

    The hardest part for me was getting used to actually looking at the teeth and seeing what I was actually sharpening. I don't suppose I had ever really paid any attention to the lumpy bits at the bottom of my saws until today. Once I saw what was really going on the whole process began to make sense and became much easier.

    I am only an average hacker of timber, enthusiastic yes, long serving certainly, but naturally gifted no. But I have spent very much time developing what skills I have for the pure enjoyment of the thing. I have built kitchens and restored houses and when I did I tried to make it seem as though the hobby was not always going to be a one way flow of money out of the house and into the pockets of tool and timber merchants. But I suspect my long suffering wife always knew it was a con job. It was all a fraud, simply an excuse to get more router bits. She is really a partner in crime since we are planing to renovate another house and I have a big pile of camphor drying for another kitchen. But really we do not need furniture or boxes or display cases or.... It has always been about the fun of gaining skills. And so my journey deeper into the arcane world of saws has taken another step and I will drop into the land of nod a happy little boy.

    Expect, in the near future, questions about making saws. I want a 16 inch rip saw and I think I might try my hand at making one.
    My age is still less than my number of posts

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    Oh dear - what have we started here?

    It's a slippery slope indeed, Chook, talking of making saws soon after sharpening your first. It does that to you, though, so others be warned!

    Let me know when you want to make your saw. I have just received my share of a roll of 4" x 25 thou sawplate, and there should be a couple of lengths more than I need at present, so I might be pursuaded to part with some.....

    There was some talk of a saw-making workshop along the lines of the one in Melbourne last year, but haven't heard anything more about it lately. Is there any interest in something like that here in the Brisbane area?

    Cheers,
    IW

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    Default I'm In!

    Hi Chook,

    I have been looking for a 16"-18" tenon saw filed to about 10ppi as well, but no luck yet. So... I'm in. Whatever it is, I'm in. I missed out on the 50+page Workshop in Melbourne last November but have cobbled together enough basic skills to have the confidence to try to build my own. Ian - that 4 1/2 PPI rip is now raked properly and ripped 4" thick Tas oak beautifully! although I had to take a break after converting a 26" 7ppi x cut into a 24" 10 PPI x cut. That nearly killed me! But I am keen to try making a saw that I can't seem to buy anywhere.

    Ian - after the OP has first pick, would you have enough saw plate for another? No worries if not, as I have been looking at ordering a kit from the US if necessary.

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman View Post
    ...Ian - after the OP has first pick, would you have enough saw plate for another? No worries if not, as I have been looking at ordering a kit from the US if necessary...
    Hi Dave, I should have enough extra for at least 3 or 4 saws, so that won't be a problem. Hang in a bit & see if anyone else is interested. If no further responses, PM me & we'll figure out how to get you what you need. I'm assuming you'll need a back & some bolts as well?

    Cheers,
    IW

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    If there is a saw making workshop I will be in it. I am off to the markets this weekend to get an old rotenone saw. I am going to file back the teeth and practice putting saw teeth onto it. I don't feel like practicing on my veritas saws but in do think that until I can file teeth I will not be able to make a saw.

    I want a big tenon saw and making one seems the way to go. I bath and toilet myself (for the time being). I feed myself. There is no reason why I should not make my own saws.
    My age is still less than my number of posts

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    Hi Ian, If there is talk of a saw making workshop in Brisbane i would definitely be interested if I could fit it around work.
    Cheers, Richie

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    OK, that's 3 people interested - one more will do it for this round, as I don't think I can squeeze any more into my shed at one time.

    How does this sound to you? I'll provide the materials for one saw each, i.e., plate, back and bolts (will provide handle material if needed, or you can find your own). Having learned from the Melbourne w'shop, I want to be sure you can all get at the benches & machines without queuing, and finish your saws comfortably in a day.....

    Cheers,
    IW

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    I would love to join in and show you all how to really file brass
    ( could be taken that I'm feeling a bit cocky lol)
    But I would have to say no
    But it would be great to see more saw classes happing
    We will need to see pics of course

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    That was quick. Any Saturday or Sunday will suit me fine. Sounds like a heap of fun.
    My age is still less than my number of posts

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    Chook - that is quite a stretch from bathing and feeding yourself to making your own saw, but I know what you mean. The skills are there for the taking because we have access to generous mentors willing to share their knowledge with us.

    I am only just ahead of you in that I picked up 4 saws from my local market a couple of months ago (2 x Disstons, a Simonds, and an old S&J). I have since taught myself (with some "virtual" guidance) to firstly just sharpen what was already there (on a 7PPI rip = easy), then learnt how to joint back the teeth and completely change the rake of a 28", 4 1/2 PPI rip saw (definitely a step up in learning), then completely jointing, shortening and reshaping a 26" saw from 7PPI to 10PPI (too hard at my basic level to do all in one sitting). If you haven't already seen it, I can recommend watching this video to get to the next level:
    http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthr...lapsed&sb=5&o=

    And also the Ron Herman video on saw sharpening for a slightly different approach - http://www.shopwoodworking.com/sharp...ws-dwnld-u6376
    Just be aware that there are many techniques out there. The best way to keep a clear head and avoid paralysis through analysis is to start doing it yourself.

    We might catch up at a local saw making workshop soon and compare beginner's notes.

    Dave

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    Im interested if there is another round or a vacancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by fields View Post
    Im interested if there is another round or a vacancy
    You'd make #4, which is what I reckon I can handle in my shed at one time, so if you are all serious, let's start talking about a Saturday or Sunday gtg,in about 4-5 weeks time. I need a bit of lead-time as I have a few commitments that need to be attended to before then, plus I will have to get more brass & make up the necessary bits & pieces. We'll sort out by email & PM what each person wants to make, then I can make up the required parts, & get ready to go.

    Cost will be for parts only - there won't be any venue-hire costs to cover, this time..

    Cheers,
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    I'm definitely in, and any time after the coming month suits me too. As for costs, I would expect this to be well worth your while Ian, as I have no objection to paying for value. I'm not ready for Atlas to shrug just yet...

    With 0.025" x 4" stock, I reckon a 16" tenon saw would be perfect. Just deep enough to cover the large tenon and squint butted scarf joints I have to knock out (I just needed to write that so it sounded like I actually needed this saw...which I do, honest).

    I can also bring my own Disston #2 vise and a spare mounting surface for it if that helps? I also have enough Bahco files to shape and sharpen a 10PPI, and happy to get more if others want the same size (I know they're not the brand of choice, but I have only just started understanding the shortcomings of the Nicholsons). The Bahcos are almost as easy to get, and I can't tell if they're substandard.

    As for handles, I am completely clueless. Wouldn't know where to start, but happy to purchase enough of whatever the consensus is and share with others. Let me know what the fashion is these days.

    Dave

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    I am in. I will bath myself the week before whether I need it or not.
    My age is still less than my number of posts

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    I'M In, Just have to check Race Calendar, I have a saw vice I could bring as well if that helps Ian, I don't have much else at moment but might be able to get some files by then if that would be of help,
    Cheers, Richie

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