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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    Yairs, I think I'd go that route meself if I were looking for a set of chisels today.

    There's no guarantee against minor disappointments, I think we let our expectations get a bit too high, sometimes, and expect more than the product can possibly deliver. I was disappointed with the first PMV11 blade I bought. It definitely isn't as easy to sharpen as O1 steel, whatever they claim, or even A2, but a decent water-stone made all the difference, and now I can get the sort of edges I like relatively easily. Disappointment changed to much happiness; I reckon they are close enough with their claim that PMV11 holds a useable edge about twice as long as anything else, and it doesn't chip in glass-hard woods. Case in point: I've been planing some Solomon Island "Ebony" over the last few days. It's relatively easy to plane for such a dense wood, but the sample I'm working on dulls blades faster than just about any wood I've come across. I would have had a very frustrating time if I'd had only O1 blades!

    I've got PMV11 in 3 planes now, and the cutting edge is getting close to the screw-slot on another of my heavy users, so it will be #4 in a year or two. If I live long enough, they may all be sporting the fancy irons, someday.

    So despite initial scepticism & disappointment, I think I've become a staunch convert to PMV11...
    Cheers,

    Thanks Ian, I am in fact anticipating some disappointment here, but I don't think it will be the chisels, it will be my ability to sharpen them, both in regard to my only modest skills and my entry level sharpening equipment. In an attempt to head that little bugbear off at the pass I've ordered the Veritas honing guide, a double sided 300/1000 Diamond stone, and a 6000 ceramic waterstone. I figure I can lap the waterstone with the 300 grit side of the diamond stone and between the 1000 diamond and the 6000 waterstone I should manage to bumble my way to an acceptable level of sharpness. No good having pro tools if you can't keep them sharp I reckon.

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    Do NOT lap the Veritas chisels!

    Their backs are flatter than anything you could do. I have been to the factory and seen the process, and they spent a LOT of money on achieving their claims. Your attempts will only degrade the flatness they come with.

    For reference, the bevels are already honed to 4000 grit. However, I would change up the bevel angle to 30 degrees. Use the 1000, and then the 6000. Forget the 300 - that is only for grinding a lot of steel, such as removing a large chip. I would either get a 13000 waterstone to finish, or create a strop from Veritas green compound on hardwood (some use MDF).

    The back of the blade is only ever touched with your finishing stone (to aid in removing the wire edge).

    For reference, I hollow grind all my blades, and chisels and BD plane blades are then freehanded on the hollow. I use a honing guide for BU plane blades.

    Regards from Perth

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    Agreed about the flatness of the back. The main reason I got these for my main site work set is they have an unusual coloured handle, which makes it easy to recognise if someone has “borrowed” one, and the polished finish looks cool, which of course is important on most building sites. They do the job I need them to do, and they can be used for fine work, with a bit of tuning up. But I usually do that sort of work at my shop, where I have Dad’s set of E.Berg ones to use.

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    I hope you ordered the narrow blade attachment with the honing guide? The base model doesn’t hold chisels that well unfortunately. You can hold chisels in it but it is a bit of a PITA. Before I picked up the narrow blade attachment I just used the venerable Eclipse 36 as chisels in the Veritas used to inadvertently move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Tiff View Post
    I hope you ordered the narrow blade attachment with the honing guide? The base model doesn’t hold chisels that well unfortunately. You can hold chisels in it but it is a bit of a PITA. Before I picked up the narrow blade attachment I just used the venerable Eclipse 36 as chisels in the Veritas used to inadvertently move.

    Indeed I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    Hi Biggus
    It'll be a couple of weeks before I'm back in Calgary, but when I am, it's no problem to check how thick the lands are on a Narex chisel.
    The Calgary LV store has Narex in stock priced from CAD $16.90 (plus 5% tax).
    so yesterday I made it to the Calgary store and had a look at the Narex chisels.
    Given their price, the Narex have to be the best value chisel out there.
    If you what you are planning on making can accommodate the 1.5 mm lands then I recon you're on a winner -- but if lands that are almost invisible are more your style, then the Veritas PM-V11 might be the go.

    Hell I'd suggest getting two "sets" -- say 3 or 4 in PM-V11 and a similar number of the Narex.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    I had done some scurrying around on the 'net looking for a set of chisels with small lands some time ago, and have these on a "wishlist": MHG chisels with side bevels ground down to the chisel face

    Of course, they will need to be bought in from Germany with associated cost, but I believe a set of 6 of these will land here for about $200. With that said, there is spare "capacity" in the 5Kg shipping bracket to include other items from that site without incurring additional shipping (and there are some nice things to put on a list from there).

    The only thing I can't speak to is how these chisels are - as I haven't yet purchased them.

    I also took a good look at some Narex chisels whilst I was in Melbourne, and made a stop by Timbecon.

    Narex make two (or maybe even more) "models" of bevel edge chisel.

    The standard sort, with "normal" lands are these ones: https://www.timbecon.com.au/cabinet-...set-of-6-cased

    There is also a set with small lands - perhaps a little larger (to my eye) than the MHG I posted above, but certainly considerably smaller than their normal chisels, and those are these ones: https://www.timbecon.com.au/chisel-b...set-of-6-cased You may note on these in the description it particularly refers to smaller lands, and thus being suited to dovetail work.

    Hope this might prove useful to someone!

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    My understanding of chrome-vanadium steel, which is what the MHG chisels are made from, is a tough steel which will be harder to sharpen (than O1), and the wire will be gummy and difficult to remove (even more so than A2).

    The Narex are chrome-manganese. From what I can gather, manganese is added to increase hardness (rather than toughness) and the steel grain is finer than chrome-vanadium, which means it takes a finer edge.

    Regards from Perth

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    Axminster in the UK also offer a homebrand range of chisels that look like they are made by Narex that could be an option.
    Axminster Rider 6 Piece Bevel Edge Chisel Set Hornbeam Handle - Bevel Edge Chisel Sets - Chisels - Hand Tools | Axminster Tools & Machinery
    Not sure if the lands are quite as fine as the Narex Richters but they are competitively priced.
    Narex Richter Bevel Edge Chisel Set of 5

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    As an update, my goodness these Veritas PM-V11 are lovely chisels, pretty to look at and sweet to use. You really need to be careful of the side bevels, they bite, and with very little provocation which makes them all the nicer to use once you've learned to handle them carefully. I'll have to buy the lot (thus far I have the 1/4 and 1/2) and make a dinky little box for them. Hell, I even like getting them out and just looking at them, these nice tools should come with a health warning, they're addictive.

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