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16th July 2020, 01:05 PM #1SENIOR MEMBER
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Record 050 plow
Hi guys, I have a record 050 that I got fairly recently and am doing up the blades as I need them. I don't think most have been used. It has the kit for the small blades, 1/8 and 3/16, and yesterday I had call to use the 1/8 so I sharpened it up, popped it in, and noticed it was on the Skew.
I pulled it out and put it against my square and it is definitely tapered on the side that goes against the plane body. The 3/16 doesn't have this. It is an original Record blade and looks to be machine cut, not tampered with.
Is this how it's supposed to be?
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16th July 2020, 03:08 PM #2
Yes; I would say it's supposed to be like that; the tapering gives side clearance. I would be double checking to ensure it is correctly seated between the body and the clamp and that the blade clamping screw isn't allowing it to go out of wack.
I also have an 050 but I've never fitted the thinner blades; I have an 043 and an 044 for those. I'd go and check them for you but unfortunately I'm not home again till the 30th. Do you have another method of cutting your grooves until I can get back to you then?Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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16th July 2020, 06:48 PM #3
Not sure I understand the problem yowie, and my complete lack of experience with that model doesn't help. But just to establish a basis for further discussion - when you say 'on the skew', do you mean that the blade is twisted along its long axis wrt to the main axis of the plane? (Which is how I picture 'skew'). This could happen if front & back faces of the blade aren't parallel. However, in the pic they seem to be so. There does appear to be a symmetrical taper from front to back on each side - this is what the chief would mean by 'clearance', I presume, and is desirable, not a fault.
If front & back of the blade are parallel, the only other ways I can think of for it to skew is if the bed isn't flat (which you would surely have noticed), or the clamp is incorrectly positioned & pulling the blade askew when tightened.....
Cheers,IW
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16th July 2020, 07:15 PM #4
Recently listed on Fleabay is an 043, the 4th picture shows the underneath with a 1/8” cutter fitted. Allowing for visual error where the junction of primary bevel meets the sides and back of the blade; you can see that the sides definitely appear tapered.Record Plough Plane 043 | eBay
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16th July 2020, 08:57 PM #5Senior Member
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All the older Record plough blades were tapered so the front of the blades were slightly wider than the back. It is an intentional design by Record so the blades don't bind (get stuck by too much friction) in the groove as the groove gets deeper.
Paul Sellers explains more about this in one of his blog posts.New Zealand
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16th July 2020, 11:33 PM #6SENIOR MEMBER
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I may need to explain myself better. The blade is tapered along the long axis, narrowing towards the blade end, and I can understand this, but the side of the blade that sits against the plane body is also at an angle as per the photo. Only on one side though. The other side appears to be square. This I don’t understand as because of this, the blade doesn’t meet the wood squarely.
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17th July 2020, 12:29 AM #7
Well, until I can put my hands on my own plane and try to replicate what you’ve experiencing I don’t think I can meaningfully contribute any further; but hopefully before then someone else will read this thread who also has a similar vintage 050.
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17th July 2020, 09:10 AM #8Senior Member
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I've just had a look at my 1/8" blade and it too is trapezoid in cross-section, so it would appear to be a deliberate design feature. But, my blade does not taper from front to back. The cross-section is also symmetrical (the side abutting the plane has the same angle as the opposite side).
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17th July 2020, 01:14 PM #9
I, too, have had a look and agree with michael_m, above.
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17th July 2020, 03:02 PM #10
yowie,
I have the Stanley 50 and like the others have said the blades have a relief taper. I think all good plow blades have relief. My wooden plow plane blades have a very pronounced taper and even mortice chisels have it. Anyhow I put in the 1/8'' blade in and as long as the back of the blade is firm against the bed/frog then it secures nicely. Note the center section is not used with the 2 smallest blades (with the stanley ). Do you have the instruction booklet for the plane?
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John
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17th July 2020, 03:12 PM #11
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17th July 2020, 03:26 PM #12
Checked my 044 blades and they seem pretty square however there is an adjustment screw on the side of the 044 which keeps the blade pressed into the side of the plane. Don't think that mechanism exists on the 050 from what I can tell.
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