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    Greetings one and all.

    As part of a bigger project I am refurbing a Record #53 QR bench vice I've had put aside for a while. It's in less than ideal condition - the quide rods where rusty, the whole mechanism was full of ground up shed fairies, original factory white paint runs etc.

    The QR mechanism works well. I have pulled it down to clean it up and repaint the jaws.

    My questions relates to reassembly. Where, if at all, should grease/oil be applied. I was thinking a coat of PTFE might attract less dust. Or give the screw a jolly good waxing.

    Advice appreciated.
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    Oil & wood dust are certainly a messy combination, so unless you run a fabulously clean shop, some sort of dry lube is preferable, imo. I use a silicone spray on my metal vise screw, and paraffin wax (sparingly) on wooden screws & that seems to work well enough. That said, a lot of old Dawns & Records I've known were regularly oiled, and most have continued to work happily....
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    Thanks Ian

    I have some dry lube spray that I think I might use.

    The oil/dust compatability was what got me thinking. Everything I read says use grease on the half nut. As you say, that's how it's been done for a very long time with no huge oucry from the masses that their vice doesn't work because the oil attracts dust.

    What are your thoughts on wear on the screw if grease or oil isn't used. Is the dry lube enough lube?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozhunter View Post
    ....What are your thoughts on wear on the screw if grease or oil isn't used. Is the dry lube enough lube?
    Can only speak from experience with my own front vise, which isn't a QR, and isn't even a 'standard' front vise, come to that. It's home-made & uses a screw intended for tail vises. The screw is about 1 1/4 inches diameter, from memory. Dry lube (can't remember what brand, I've used several over the last 30 years, but they were all silicone-based types) is pretty much all it's had on it, after trying oil for the first couple of years, and it is still working smoothly, with no obvious sign of wear, after about 25 years of getting an occasional (& I mean occasional!) spray. You should also note that I probably use a front vise less than many, preferring to work at my (wooden screw) tail vise, most of the time, but it has still had plenty of use.

    My suggestion would be to try it & see how it goes. I can't see how you can do much harm by trying it for a short while. If the screw doesn't run smoothly & you experience binding, or grating noises, then certainly don't persist - maybe you do need oil or grease after all. I'm sure if it's given a clean and new oil/grease once in a while it can't be too harmful, as I said, there are a lot of oiled or greased vises still soldiering on, out there......

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    I reckon I'll give it a go. The stuff I have is called Dry Glide.

    We have had excellent results on lift and swing gates in our shearing shed that would rust very quickly and pick up all the grime about the joint. Prior to using the shed for 5 days recently we sprayed the pivot/slide of the gates after a good clean and they worked well and haven't rusted to date.

    I'll report back in due course as to the results on the vice.
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