Thread: Review: The HNT Gordon Dado Plane

just for the record before we all forget and all start speaking american


dado joint = USA

housing joint = Australia , and many other places around the globe

when its not called a housing joint typically we have always called it a trench in Oz, but still not a dado joint! go figure

ironically, we buy dado heads (because the overseas manufactures call em that so thats what they get sold as, but often they are sold as trenching heads) to make housing joints or trenches, but never dados


cheers
chippy

Originally Posted by ch!ppy

just for the record before we all forget and all start speaking american

I think that horse bolted a long time ago.............just sayin'

Originally Posted by ch!ppy

just for the record before we all forget and all start speaking american


dado joint = USA

housing joint = Australia , and many other places around the globe

when its not called a housing joint typically we have always called it a trench in Oz, but still not a dado joint! go figure

ironically, we buy dado heads (because the overseas manufactures call em that so thats what they get sold as, but often they are sold as trenching heads) to make housing joints or trenches, but never dados


cheers
chippy

Hi Chippy

I agree. Our vocabulary changed irrevocably after Norm Abraham invaded our homes with his ever present dado blades for the tablesaw. I cannot recall when I last referred to a housing. Trench was less common than housing ... yes?

Regards from Perth

Derek

ah tu right, big shed


lest we forget is all, it would be nice if people called them their traditional local names but i realise its all uphill

lol, my daughter said she'll bake some cookies the other day, had to ask if she was making anzacs which are her speciality, thankfully not, choc chip it was




..Hi Derek, housing joint was always the term we used (still do) when speaking technically or just in passing often times (e.g use/put some housing joints in that bookcase), but trenching is actually very common vocabulary in the trade, today, yesterday, ages ago etc, its not a lost term, yet...online is the place i hear it referred to as dado more than anywhere else ...as i say though, we buy dado heads etc, but even then (when using them) we call what we are making housing joints or trenches...i cant speak for all of australia of course because no doubt someone refers to them as dado's but we were taught in trade school 'housing joint', they still call them housing in trade school last time i heard, and australian printed books use the term housing joint ,one old school book (still used in tassie dep of education) calls em trench (J. Walton) i remember which i always thought was funny because i always thought trench was a slang term for housing joint , but apparently not, never the less housing joint is still used and trench is a pretty common term, might be more common i dare say, i'd hate to have to give odds which term is used more


cheers
chippy

Chippy, at least I resisted using rabbet for rebate!

Regards from Perth

Derek

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Chippy, at least I resisted using rabbet for rebate!

Regards from Perth

Derek

and dont think i didnt notice that!! thank you lord.. and in this case Derek

Derek and Chippy

Forgive me for mentioning a powered machine in this forum (I'm bowing my head and plan to retreat backwards to the doorway, once I have finished typing, muttering "sorry, sorry, sorry"), but the framing saws I have owned came with "trenching" heads and the top and bottom plates in traditional house framing were "housed" or "trenched" (10mm normally).

I have to say I resist american pronunciation and idioms wherever possible.

Good to see you liked the plane Derek. I don't own one but have seen Terry demonstate it. An awesome bit of gear.

Regards
Paul

Derek - that is quite an impressive performance by Terry's plane. For the job requiring no more than a couple of trenches, it would be a far more pleasant way than using a screaming electron burner. I think I'll ask if Santa is feeling particularly generous this year! .

I reckon the crucial part is getting those nickers right, they need to be stable and solid, and Terry's bit of extra engineering seems to provide that in spades. I also have an oldie that has seen much use in the past. I could not get mine to perform satisfactorily either, and the main problem is that due to wear & tear, the nickers will not hold their alignment. I haven't looked at it for a long time, but now I have more time & more gear, I may be able to fix it. I must revisit it sometime, but it will have to wait 'til a few other jobs on the list are done before I can get at it.....

And to Chippy's & your crusade to guard the language - good luck! In any 'living' language, everyday speech is going to drift & there ain't much we can do about it, but it's a real nuisance when technical terms get corrupted or changed arbitrarily. We create those to be precise, so that everyone knows exactly what we mean when we use them. I fought a rear-guard battle for years against sloppy use of terminology, but was constanly undermined by younger colleagues. It's now acceptable to call dog mammary glands, most of which are situated on the abdomen, "breasts" (?!) and animals which were once castrated, then "neutered", are now "de-sexed" (they are still the same gender, with or without their gonads, for goodness sake!). I could go on ad nauseum. I guess we just have to do it, and our ranting gives the next generation somnething to chuckle about, but a time will come when a newer generation talks gibberish to them. As my father once observed, grandchildren are a parent's revenge......

Cheers,

Ian, you not really telling me much new about that, i realise as much as anyone that language changes and evolves, and teenagers (aka as blueies, for the uninitiated is short for blue tongues because they sit on the side of the road sunning themselves lol) are adept at that too, no problem thats life, and thats fine. and if people want to embrace and use american terms on an australian forum then thats up to them, seems odd to me though. do you believe me mentioning the (correct) australian term is a crusade? its not meant to be, its simply that when i first read some of these things online they didnt make sense to me, definitely sounded strange and i had to convert them (i mention in case anyone else has the same problem), also many times it comes across as those are the correct if not the only terms, which they arnt, to us at least. Derek seems to have lots of people , many of them with little or no experience reading and following his learning curve, advice and instructions on his informative helpful web site. i just thought it worth mentioning the Australian terms for them, to people and particularly Derek (a leader on the web in amateur woodwork) that may be introducing someone to trenching or housing joints for the first time, perhaps he has a small responsibility to pass on our terms i would have thought e.g. if they read that a leading amateur australian WW is calling them Dado joints, they may end up always calling them that, i'm just pointing out, trying to be helpful (not crusading), i thought it was helpful at least, that in the trade (in australia), we dont use that term at all, its trench(ing) or housing joints is all...


cheers
chippy

Hi Chippy

I think that you credit me with too much influence.

Two points: the first is that I did make reference to different terminology ...

"A dado is a trench or housing (the term typically used in Europe) across the inside of a board. "

Secondly, the plane under review is "Dado Plane", as named by Terry Gordon. Perhaps he should be encouraged to rename it "Housing Plane".

I happen to agree that we are all in danger of being Americanised (and even my spell checker wants to rewrite that as "Americanized").

I also believe that "dado" has become the dominant terminology in our international world, but at least is better than "groove". I prefer "housing", however more understand "dado" these days. Blame it on the Internet. "Trench" has come to be a descriptive term.

Regards from Perth

Derek

... so we all agree we hate the word 'dado' but we all know what it means.

I wish IanW hadn't mentioned 'dog breasts' though, it put me right of my biscuits.

Gentlemen

I have taken the liberty of creating a new thread regarding the, arguably, barstardisation of the english language rather than detracting from Derek's review of Terry's new plane.

https://www.woodworkforums.com/f28/en...5/#post1575025

I think it is an issue worth a quick thrash and certainly need not be limited to dados .

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Hi Chippy

I think that you credit me with too much influence.

i think you ignore or underestimate how much influence you impart

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Two points: the first is that I did make reference to different terminology ...

"A dado is a trench or housing (the term typically used in Europe) across the inside of a board. "

yes you said Europe, but why not Australia, you write all the time from australian perspective, e.g ... our australian hardwoods... are tough on tools, this or that, or that you predominately work in aussie hardwoods etc, so why not mention what they are called, in australia

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Secondly, the plane under review is "Dado Plane", as named by Terry Gordon. Perhaps he should be encouraged to rename it "Housing Plane".

thats not the argument i'm making (my points were directed at you and to help others know what they called, in Oz), what he calls his plane, is his business (literally) and he sells them to america, big market over there to consider, but like i alluded to earlier we buy dado heads to make trenches or housings, not dado's. does seem odd having an aussie plane, made with aussie wood, with an american name though

Originally Posted by derekcohen

I happen to agree that we are all in danger of being Americanised (and even my spell checker wants to rewrite that as "Americanized").

tell me about it!

Originally Posted by derekcohen

I also believe that "dado" has become the dominant terminology in our international world, but at least is better than "groove". I prefer "housing", however more understand "dado" these days. Blame it on the Internet. "Trench" has come to be a descriptive term.

dominant on the internet not in the real world, here ...dont get me started about groove, thats actually more preferable to dado too and some english books refer to it that way. you say ''trench has come to be descriptive'', not sure where you got that from and if it were true , well its been a l o n g time in the making then! but it is an legit term, just so you know!

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Regards from Perth

Derek

afiw i think the plane is nicely done, its a combination of things but the way the nicker is made is key and often the weak point of the older planes

cheers chippy